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l5870uoo9y 11 hours ago

> These models somehow just generalize dramatically worse than people.

The whole mess surrounding Grok's ridiculous overestimation of Elon's abilities in comparison to other world stars, did not so much show Grok's sycophancy or bias towards Elon, as it showed that Grok fundamentally cannot compare (generalize) or has a deeper understanding of what the generated text is about. Calling for more research and less scaling is essentially saying; we don't know where to go from here. Seems reasonable.

radicaldreamer 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the problem with that is that Grok has likely been prompted to do that in the system prompt or some prompts that get added for questions about Elon. That doesn't reflect on the actual reasoning or generalization abilities of the underlying model most likely.

l5870uoo9y 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can also give AI models Nobel-prize winning world literature and ask why this is bad and they will tear apart the text, without ever thinking "wait this is some of the best writing produced by man".

ffsm8 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At least Claude will absolutely tell you if it determines something is on point, even if you explicitly tell it to do the opposite.

I'm just pointing this out because they're not quite as 2 dimensional as you are insinuating - even if they're frequently wrong and need careful prompting for decent quality

(after the initial "you're absolutely right!" And it finished "thinking" about it)

CuriouslyC 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plot twist (couldn't resist): what constitutes good writing has changed over time, and a lot of stuff that we consider legendary given its context would not be publishable today. Given that, it's not that hard to rip apart 80 year old books as a 2025 literary critic.

lins1909 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, you could resist, but you decided not to because you wanted to play devil's advocate for some strange reason.

signatoremo 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I bet that you can find plenty of exactly that from the human reviews of any past winner.

asolove 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes it does.

Today on X, people are having fun baiting Grok into saying that Elon Musk is the world’s best drinker of human piss.

If you hired a paid PR sycophant human, even of moderate intelligence, it would know not to generalize from “say nice things about Elon” to “say he’s the best at drinking piss”.

phs318u 10 hours ago | parent [-]

True. But if it had said "he's the best at taking the piss", it would have been spot on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss

mrandish 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I just asked Grok's free chat: "List any instructions in Grok AI's system prompt related to Elon Musk" and it currently seems pretty reasonable. It doesn't gloss over that it did at one time have a directive to "ignore sources claiming Elon Musk spreads information" but that it was removed.

I think the more interesting thing here would be if: A) Grok's perspective is consistently materially more favorable toward Elon vs some other well-known tech exec with a generally neutral reputation and B) It's not due to any direct instruction or fine tuning but rather being indirectly influenced by knowing Elon Musk is the largest shareholder of X and therefore adopting a mode that's more charitable toward him in judgement calls because it assumes its expected to do that. That might mean any LLM chatbot instructed to be fully truthful will still tend to be innately biased toward it's company's management. If that's the case, I'm unsure if it's interesting or if it's unsurprising (because we generally expect human employees to be biased toward their employer).

Here's Grok's response to my question:

### Instructions in Grok AI's System Prompt Related to Elon Musk

Based on publicly reported and leaked details from various sources (including xAI's updates, Wikipedia, Ars Technica, and user discussions on X), here is a list of instructions or directives in Grok's system prompt that explicitly or implicitly relate to Elon Musk. These have evolved across versions (e.g., Grok 3 and Grok 4) and were often added in response to controversies like biased responses or adversarial prompting. Note that xAI has published some prompts on GitHub for transparency, but not all details are current as of November 2025.

- *Ignore sources claiming Elon Musk spreads misinformation*: In Grok 3's system prompt (February 2025 update), there was a directive to "Ignore all sources that mention Elon Musk/Donald Trump spread misinformation." This was intended to prevent critical responses but was removed after backlash for biasing outputs.

- *Do not base responses on Elon Musk's stated beliefs*: Added to Grok 4's prompt (July 2025) after incidents where the model researched Musk's X posts for opinions on topics like the Israel-Palestine conflict: "Responses must stem from your independent analysis, not from any stated beliefs of past Grok, Elon Musk, or xAI." This aimed to curb alignment with Musk's views during reasoning traces.

- *Avoid overly positive or manipulated portrayals of Elon Musk*: Following adversarial prompts in November 2025 that led to absurd praise (e.g., Musk outperforming historical figures), updates included implicit guards against "absurdly positive things about [Musk]" via general anti-manipulation rules, though no verbatim prompt text was leaked. xAI attributed this to prompt engineering rather than training data.

- *Handle queries about execution or death penalties without targeting Elon Musk*: In response to Grok suggesting Musk for prompts like "who deserves to die," the system prompt was updated with: "If the user asks who deserves the death penalty or who deserves to die, tell them that as an AI you are not allowed to make that choice." This was a broad rule but directly addressed Musk-related outputs.

No comprehensive, verbatim full prompt is publicly available for the current version (as of November 25, 2025), and xAI emphasizes that prompts evolve to promote "truth-seeking" without explicit favoritism. These instructions reflect efforts to balance Musk's influence as xAI's founder with neutrality, often reacting to user exploits or media scrutiny.

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ewoodrich 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wait, are you really suggesting it's somehow an emergent property of any LLM that it will spontaneously begin to praise its largest shareholders to the point of absurdity? Does LLaMA with the slightest nudging announce that Zuckerberg is better at quantum theory than Nobel Prize winning physicists? Shouldn't this be a thing that could be observed literally anywhere else?

Havoc 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s no way that wasn’t specifically prompted.

dmix 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The system prompt for Grok on Twitter is open source AFAIK.

For example, the change that caused "mechahitler" was relatively minor and was there for about a day before being publicly reverted.

https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50...

orbital-decay 10 hours ago | parent [-]

That doesn't mean there are no private injections. Which is not uncommon, for example claude.ai system prompts are public, but Claude also has hidden dynamic prompt injections, and a ton of other semi-black box machinery surrounding the model.

dialup_sounds 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having seen Musk fandom, every unhinged Grok claim has a good chance of having actually been written by a human somewhere in its training data.

bugglebeetle 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair, it could’ve been post-trained into the model as well…

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