| ▲ | superconduct123 6 hours ago |
| I'm always surprised how big the population of Indonesia is yet it seems culturally underrepresented in the world compared to a lot of smaller countries Almost 300 million people but it rarely comes up in the news or pop media |
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| ▲ | lurk2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They don’t have a huge culture industry yet (or at least, not one that appeals to English-speaking audiences), but they’ve become a lot more prominent on the internet in the last 5 years due to better infrastructure and integration into various English speaking social networks (via both social media and people travelling in and out of Indonesia). It’s a Muslim majority country and very conservative, so a lot of the themes you’d find in American film, music, and literature wouldn’t make much sense there, and the media that has commercial potential outside of Indonesia is generally coming from wealthy households that don’t have much to do with how the average Indonesian really lives (Nicole Zefanya being the example that comes to mind). Indonesians (at least the ones who speak English) are quite similar to Latinos in that they have a desire to be accepted into the English-speaking world not only personally but culturally. This can manifest in attempts to whitewash oneself to fit in, adopting whatever seems to be popular on English-speaking social media, leading to comparatively old trends propagating in these countries. You saw the same thing with the Chinese and the Koreans back in the 2000s and both developed their own internationally-competitive culture industries, but those were both secular countries already well-integrated into the international system. I wouldn’t expect to see anything quite like that in Indonesia until at least 2030, when more of the digital natives come of age. |
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| ▲ | Apocryphon 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Feels like in the West the only Indonesian movie that got popular is The Raid, which had a Welsh director anyway. And, uh, The Act of Killing which was also made by a Brit. |
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| ▲ | awongh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I always thought it was interesting that, I guess due to Arab racism, it's also not very represented in the community of Islam. Like, Indonesia (and together with Malaysia) makes up a really significant portion of all muslims. As an outsider it still seems like there isn't much cultural overlap- which seems like, even if Indonesian culture wouldn't reach Europe or the USA, at least it would reach to the middle east / north africa because of the the religious link. I could have drawn some parallels between Catholics and South America, but there's already two Popes that have Latin American roots. |
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| ▲ | elgenie 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They're #4 by population, and the world's most populous Muslim country, but are also only a quarter century removed from a corrupt authoritarian regime. They have very little in the way of exported cultural products ("The Raid" films?), are much worse in sports than would be expected based on population, spend relatively little on their military and don't do much in the way of regional power projection, and are growing economically but not remarkably, so there just aren't that many avenues for them to make international news. |
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| ▲ | Squealer2642 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it's just because there aren't large immigrant communities in Western countries besides Australia and the Netherlands. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah and... articles like these are reminders that cultural representation as a concept in general is kind of broken. There's no website which topic distribution follows actual distribution of population of the world[1]. 1: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_per... |
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| ▲ | Froztnova 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I also did a double take when I learned that they were Muslim-majority too. It flies in the face of a lot of assumptions. |
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| ▲ | cdmckay 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which assumptions are those? | | |
| ▲ | Froztnova 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mostly just that it's easy for an American (or at least, myself circa several years ago) to assume that the overwhelmingly vast majority of Muslims live in middle eastern countries, and when I first learned that Indonesia was the world's largest Muslim majority country it proved that mental heuristic to be entirely inaccurate. I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising though, I mean Christianity sure as hell got around too. | | |
| ▲ | flopsamjetsam 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Mostly just that it's easy for an American (or at least, myself circa several years ago) to assume that the overwhelmingly vast majority of Muslims live in middle eastern countries, and when I first learned that Indonesia was the world's largest Muslim majority country it proved that mental heuristic to be entirely inaccurate. I live in Australia, and when I was growing up I thought the same, even though Indonesia are a very close neighbour of ours. Indonesia is featured quite a bit in our local news these days, and that together with lots of Aussie tourists in Indonesia, plus lots of Indonesian students studying here, has made us a little more knowledgeable about our neighbours. | | |
| ▲ | bouncycastle 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also, the Indonesia that most Australians only ever visit is Bali, which is mostly Hindu. |
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| ▲ | elgenie 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The top five countries in the world by Muslim population are not in the Middle East/North Africa region: Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria. | |
| ▲ | rafram 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Only 20% of the Muslims in the world live in the Middle East. | |
| ▲ | deepspace 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's so weird. What do they teach in American schools? Apparently not even basic geography? The fact that Indonesia was Muslim is something I learned very early on - certainly before high school. | | |
| ▲ | Froztnova an hour ago | parent [-] | | TBH, without going into overmuch detail, I wouldn't generalize from my educational experience to the American educational system as a whole. I think it was better in a lot of ways, and worse in a few ways, than what most people would have received, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some particular holes in my knowledge due to taking part in multiple curricula from different institutions. |
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| ▲ | mmooss 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | India (also not Middle Eastern) has the largest population of Muslim people, but it is not 'majority Muslim'. | |
| ▲ | aruggirello 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It seems things are improving for Christians in Indonesia in 2025 - or is the data missing? https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/ | |
| ▲ | lawlessone 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah if i only went by TV news i'd come to the same general conclusion.
And if i narrowed it down to just Fox i'd probably think it was the UK. |
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| ▲ | lordnacho 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ask someone in the West what the largest muslim country is. |
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| ▲ | aprilthird2021 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You must not have known about Malaysia then either? | | |
| ▲ | Froztnova 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Correct, it was around the time I learned how big Islam was in certain parts of Southeast Asia in general. It's just massively under-represented in news and popular culture and my historical/geographic education never really went into much detail on Asia. |
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| ▲ | throwaway290 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why? It's a big religion in the world and I heard it grows at 30% per year | | |
| ▲ | rar00 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | typo? Rounding it up to 2 billion, 30% means 600 million per year | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How much of that is just because people aren't allowed to leave the religion though? My whole family would be considered Catholic if we still had those sorts of old thinking rules that Islam still has. Instead we have lots of people becoming Catholic and lots leaving balancing out. |
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