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christophilus 6 hours ago

Why Zorin? It’s always struck me as a weird distro. I can’t put my finger on why, but it feels off.

I wonder how much of a bump other distros have seen in the same period.

cosmic_cheese 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

More than other distros, Zorin markets (and has marketed) itself as Windows-like, which probably elevates it in search rankings and LLM queries for people looking for a distro that more closely mirrors what they’re familiar with.

People really, really want a “Windows, but just the good parts” with as little deviation and required learning as possible in terms of desktop experience. A distro with a DE that nearly perfectly replicates “greatest hits” Windows versions (2K/XP/7/10) would probably be doing serious numbers right now if it existed.

trelane 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So... modern Lindows?

Hopefully it goes better for them than it went for Lindows. Though at least the name isn't lawsuit bait.

cosmic_cheese 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kinda. Lindows didn't resemble Windows as closely as its name might suggest and played with fire with its naming. Ideally this new distro would have a custom built DE made to be as close as possible visually and functionally, yet legally distinct (which a skilled designer can easily pull off) and would not tie the branding to Microsoft or Windows in any way.

rolph 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

microsloth windoze

https://jargondb.org/glossary/microsloth-windows

would probably be even better bait, due to the perjorative, and 2 trademarks being adulterated

what was it? "go make a cup of tea this may take awhile"

trelane 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That seems almost, but not quite, entirely unrelated to my comment.

GaryBluto 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> A distro with a DE that nearly perfectly replicates “greatest hits” Windows versions (2K/XP/7/10) would probably be doing serious numbers right now if it existed.

Funnily enough Zorin used to offer this.

http://web.archive.org/web/2012fw_/zorin-os.com

"Zorin Look Changer" used to "let you select from Windows 7, XP, Vista, Ubuntu Unity, Mac OS X or GNOME 2" themes, whilst newer versions want you to pay nearly $50 for the privilege (although they have significantly reduced their offerings, with their "Windows Classic" theme just being their "Windows-list like" theme with a slightly different start menu).

k_roy 4 hours ago | parent [-]

$50 seems cheap for what they have probably put tons of money into to have consistent theming, in terms of both actual aesthetic and functionally.

I say this as someone getting annoyed daily by KDE inconsistencies over decades.

cosmic_cheese 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I have never used Zorin or its theme changer, but I strongly doubt it's much better than what can be accomplished by installing a third party theme, which are never that good and only resemble the mimicked operating systems in the broadest of strokes.

k_roy 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Shrug? Our experiences have been totally different then.

I bought an older version of Zorin, probably 15 or 16, to review for a blog, and I was totally impressed with the consistency of the theming.

To each their own, but Zorin is a cheap on-ramp for people coming from older Windows/Mac and looking for a somewhat apples-to-apples experience of Windows or Mac, with actual updates and not a bunch of ads or telemetry.

Not everyone is a Linux power user

cosmic_cheese 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The consistency of the theming isn’t the issue, it’s that it’s just theming (unless I’m just misunderstanding). KDE or GNOME with an XP theme applied settings toggled still acts like KDE or GNOME rather than acting like XP. The resemblance is skin-deep.

Good theming is great to have, but what’s more important is that the user’s prior experience and muscle memory still applies, e.g. the task manager can be summoned in the same ways, settings panels are structured similarly (and aren’t either overflowing or too stripped down like KDE and GNOME, respectively), key shortcuts are the same with no caveats, etc.

sph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably like MX Linux, which has, for some reason, topped the Distrowatch popularity list for years in front of Fedora, Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Debian. Strangely enough, CachyOS seems to have adopted the same strategy and it's now first place on that site.

I've been using Linux since 2001, and I honestly I find it funny how these niche flashy distros are popular with the new generations. Probably because newbies follow the screenshots and /r/unixporn posts, instead of caring about support, mind share and governance. Except Arch, because it's both a really good distro and a symbol for cool h4x0r edgelords, so it's where everybody seems to land after playing with the niche distros like Zorin until they inevitably become unsupported.

Rock-solid distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora don't have that "cool" factor so noobs don't even consider them, even though under the hood it's all the same, and on day 2 you just want something that works, rather than something that looks good on a Reddit post.

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You know Linux has gone mainstream when baby's first distro Zorin has a privacy policy and terms of service page, as it's published by a for-profit company.

trelane 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> baby's first distro Zorin has a privacy policy and terms of service page, as it's published by a for-profit company.

As though Red Hat and Ubuntu weren't a thing for literal decades.

baal80spam 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Rock-solid distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora don't have that "cool" factor so noobs don't even consider them

Isn't Ubuntu the first thing a "noob" thinks of when they hear the word "Linux"?

type0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

CachyOS is the new cool noob distro, with plenty of footguns so it stays fun

II2II 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ten years ago, sure. Judging from their landing page, not any more.

thekevan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't trust Distrowatch's popularity list. I have thought for years it was probably gamed.

There are constantly distros in that top ten list that aren't in other top ten lists like mentions of reddit, mention on Twitter, Google searches for "linux distro", etc.

boomboomsubban 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The distrowatch rankings are based on page views to the distros section on the site. So the distros that lead the rankings tend to be moderately popular distros that link to that page on their site.

cosmic_cheese 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Distros like Debian and Ubuntu also suffer from issues with compatibility with newer hardware due to their older kernels. This is part of why distros based on Fedora and Fedora Atomic (such as Nobara and Bazzite, respectively) have seen popularity.

incompatible 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have tried Debian, but I found that the software on the main version was out-of-date, and the testing version eventually broke during an update (which is when I abandoned it.) It's not something I'd recommend to a new Linux user.

slow_typist 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The question is, do you really need the newer versions? If so, maybe check availability via backports or extrepo.

From my perspective a solid OS that stays out of my way most of the time outweighs the slight disadvantage of working with older software versions. YMMV.

tormeh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, gamers at least want the latest drivers. Not the ones from three weeks ago. The latest ones. That's why everyone is recommending Arch-based distros for that purpose. I'm currently on Pop, and waiting months for Mesa updates is no fun.

arzig 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I find Fedora hits a nice sweet spot between compatibility/updates and random breakage, especially since they backport KDE versions along with kernels.

pluralmonad 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Stable with back ports works well for me. I have not upgraded to Trixie yet and have 6.12, which handles dev work, Steam, and llama.cpp (ROCm) without issue.

shevy-java 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

MX Linux is quite ok. Not sure why it is so highly ranked on distrowatch though.

XorNot 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem is Gnome have really committed themselves to screwing up UI paradigms.

I'd be much less happy with Linux if Cinnamon DE didn't exist because that's essentially a Windows like experience without the BS.

Conversely the default Gnome desktop is awful IMO.

Taskbar, start button and menus all have decades of proven effectiveness, no one needed to mess with them just get the details right (e.g. fonts and interactions).

christophilus a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

I’ll echo the other commenters who are praising Gnome. It is pretty keyboard-centric. Once you’re used to it, it’s quite nice. I’ve moved on to Niri, and can’t imagine going back to a floating window manager, but between Windows, macOS, and Gnome, I prefer Gnome hands down.

WD-42 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You know what is proven effective? Not needing to reach for a mouse to interact with taskbar, start button and menus. GNOME is extremely effective as long as you aren't a clicker. If you want to stick to a 30 year old desktop metaphor that's on you but the rest of us have moved on.

XorNot 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Discoverable user interfaces are orthogonal to keyboard interaction efficiency.

Menus are one of the primary ways you can discover keyboard shortcuts.

aucisson_masque 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I often see people praising gnome for it's keyboard efficiency but they are not even 10% as good as macos.

If they cared so much, they would have keyboard shortcut for everything, in every app, with the top bar displaying menu and every shortcut attributed to it, just like macos.

Instead you can use the keyboard to switch an app, close it and so on but once you are working inside, you immediately need to take your mouse. What's the point ? It saves 1 second and confuse lot of beginners.

WD-42 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure what you mean - pretty much every modern GNOME application has keyboard shortcuts. In fact they use a consistent keyboard shortcut to bring up the screen that shows all the keyboard shortcuts: ctrl+?

gregoryl 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It took me a week or so to get used to Gnome, and now I find Windows 11 (and KDE) frustrating!

arzig 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I like the gnome paradigm. The gnome implementation is bad though. I was promised that xwayland would be the bridge to a glorious future yet stuff like pointer confinement just doesn’t work and their implementation of refresh rate doesn’t play nicely with vscode. So, the reality is I still use KDE even if it’s not quite as visionary.

prmoustache 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same here I switched to Gnome many years ago and even the newest windows and macos desktop feel old and non user-friendly in comparison.

dsp_person an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It helps that it is built on the same Open Source software that powers the New York Stock Exchange and computers on the International Space Station.

per https://zorin.com/os/

bethekidyouwant 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes ubuntu,

netsharc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The marketing of it as "looks and feels like Windows 11!" is probably the biggest hook, if one can assume the majority of the 780k are non-powerusers who are wary about the end of Windows 10's support, and getting pwned on the Internet...

more_corn 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Microsoft is forcing win 11 updates with a bunch of AI features nobody asks for or wants.

The new features render millions of windows machines unable to run the new version leaving them ripe for for an upgrade to Linux.

Saris 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It looks good, plus they're good at marketing it and the website is very engaging with telling me what problems of mine it solves and how.

Cadwhisker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have to do tech support for grandma. Every few years, her Windows laptop gets so slow that we get her a new one. This time I will test out a switch to Linux instead of buying a new computer. Zorin is the most attractive option because it's the least strange.

Buxato 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because usually it works, the out of the box deb + snap + flatpak, polished experience cozy look with some presets to minimice friction, + ubuntu LTS its a nice pack.