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BadBadJellyBean 15 hours ago

Then why do you have so many car chases? That seems like an odd problem. There must be a reason.

ponector 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

American police just like it. They start chase for any reason, even for a broken tail lamp. Also not a simple chaise, but one where they intentionally provoke a car crash, often with fatal results for innocent people.

Zigurd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same reason that nearly every police response in the US is an armed response. Same reason police kill more Americans than terrorists do. US police culture is toxic and deadly. Several cities tightly restrict high-speed chases. That should be the norm.

adriand 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My home town of Hamilton, Ontario (population 560k) recently made the news because a guy stole a bus, with passengers onboard, and started driving it through the city. It was newsworthy because he also dropped people off at their stops, and even rejected someone who tried to board with an expired bus pass. But what stood out for me in addition to all that was the police response. They quietly followed the bus, intentionally not using sirens to avoid “spooking” the guy. They waited for the right moment, boarded the bus and arrested him peacefully and without incident.

I recognize my little city is not like LA (which I’ve visited twice) - the types of crimes, the types of criminals and the prevalence of weapons are far different, although we also have our share of gun violence and murder. But we have also not militarized our police, and there’s very much a police culture of service to the community. Here, when a cop uses their weapon, it’s seen as a failure. This was a situation handled properly, and it made me proud.

Philip-J-Fry 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly, unless someone is in imminent danger there's basically no reason to do a high speed chase. Get the plate, track it on the thousands of ANPR cameras that exist, look up the owner and just knock on their door later on.

Like 99% of high speed chases only end when the culprit crashes their car, and often that's into someone else's car risking harm to innocent civilians.

boringg 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That may be - it should be noted that criminals in the US are also much more violent and brazen then most of the rest of the planet. If your criminal population is packing heat the response tends to be much more aggressive. Its a bit cat and mouse.

Zigurd 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Crime is down. Not because we have aggressive cops that shoot people a lot. https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-...

squidgyhead 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because they have so many car chases on the news. So people get the idea that car chases are a solution that people use to get out of trouble.

Seems like a vicious cycle, fed by the terrible news media.

themafia 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Population density. In other countries they have a lot of motorcycle chases, and a lot more motorcycle based crime, but it's a crime of opportunity, which is created by highly dense and interwoven urban cores.

cenamus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

European cities are small? You don't hear about many chases in Berlin/Paris/London, do you?

themafia 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Berlin and Los Angeles _city_ both have 3.8 million residents. The greater Los Angeles Metropolitan area has 18 million residents. The greater Berlin Metropolitan area has 6 million residents.

It's not only dense but the scale is far larger than most European cities. Only Asian and South American cities outclass the insanity that is LA. Until you've been there it's hard to appreciate the scope of it.

marcinzm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The Greater LA areas has 34k square miles of area. Germany, the whole country, has 128k square miles. In other words, the LA area alone is a quarter the size of all of Germany.

themafia 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A huge chunk of that is national parks and deserts. It's not all inhabited. Only about 25% is classified as urban with the overwhelming majority of that being concentrated in Los Angeles and it's surrounding cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles#Urban_area...

This isn't a size measuring contest. I think Europeans forget how _young_ America is. That's the only unique part of this country. Give us a few thousand years and we'll be on par.

jdibs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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cenamus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh come on.

If you wanna say Muslims (all those "dirty foreigners"), then spit it the fuck out.

Also completely off topic that comment.

ripberge 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have only been to Germany once, but my assessment was that we have a very different population here.

BadBadJellyBean 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Possible but it seems like the chases are not even a US problem but more a "certain places" problem. I genuinely wonder what the cause of this behavior is.

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dylan604 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I genuinely wonder what the cause of this behavior is.

Seriously? It's from people not wanting to be arrested and go to jail. If they get away, perfect. If they don't, well, they were going to jail anyways. Now they have a cool story to tell while in jail. These are not people getting pulled over because they rolled a stop sign. These are people doing dirt, know it, and are willing to try something to avoid getting caught. It's really not complicated

zimpenfish 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> These are not people getting pulled over because they rolled a stop sign.

Although if you watched "Last Week Tonight" recently (S12 E28, 2025-11-02), Mr Oliver's long segment is about police chases and IIRC he covered more than a couple of cases where people were, in fact, being pulled over / chased for trivial matters which then lead to crashes, deaths, etc.

closeparen 8 hours ago | parent [-]

These are trivial matters in that the penalties are minor, not that they are optional.

dns_snek 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course they're not optional, but you shouldn't be starting a high speed pursuit over a seat belt violation, or for someone going 5 over the speed limit. Principle of proportionality should apply, you shouldn't be risking the lives of the public over anything but the most serious offences where them getting away poses a greater threat to the public than potentially killing a bystander.

yreg 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It goes the other way as well. It is dumb to run away from police when they stop you for minor infraction and face a very high chance of getting caught and getting into a major problem. At least I would hope that the penalties for running away are very serious.

The police officers don't know why you are running away and can reasonably expect that there is something wrong other than an unbuckled seat belt -> a kidnapped person, tons of drugs in the trunk, a wanted murderer driving, etc.

Well at least in my country where chases are rare. I understand in US it is difficult since people are more eager to run away.

idle_zealot an hour ago | parent [-]

> It goes the other way as well. It is dumb to run away from police when they stop you for minor infraction and face a very high chance of getting caught and getting into a major problem

Right, people are dumb. You can't just throw your hands in the air and declare a problem unsolvable because people are dumb and keep acting against their best interest; you acknowledge that fact and change tact accordingly. If it turns out that trying to pull people over for minor infractions causes 1% of those incidents to turn into violent chases then you should stop pulling people over for minor infractions and figure out a safer way to ticket them. At the very least you shouldn't chase after them in your car and add another dangerous vehicle to the road. It reflects a mindset of "get and punish the bad guys" being prioritized over "improve safety of your community," which pretty much sums up the culture problem with American police and criminal justice in general.

speakfreely 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> you shouldn't be starting a high speed pursuit over a seat belt violation, or for someone going 5 over the speed limit.

That's the thing: normal people don't. Violent criminals, people with active arrest warrants, and people carrying highly illegal/dangerous things in their vehicles are the types that run from traffic stops.

samdoesnothing 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they're asking why there's such a large population of people willing to commit crimes and then get into high speed chases.

dylan604 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The cause of the behavior (as phrased when asked) is not wanting to go to jail. Asking why people are in situations where they are committing crimes that could land them in jail is a totally different question. Typically, poverty. Also common, addiction.

closeparen 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Stealing cars (often at gunpoint) and driving them recklessly is an entertainment activity for young men with poor impulse control and little regard for human life. This kind of person makes decisions of comparable quality elsewhere in life that are probably incompatible with being middle class.

bigfatkitten 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Typically, poverty. Also common, addiction.

The latter is often a result of the former. People self-medicating to escape misery.

lukan 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Asking why people are in situations where they are committing crimes that could land them in jail is a totally different question. Typically, poverty. Also common, addiction."

Can't we just blame GTA?

wredcoll 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Except that people around the world generally don't want to go to prison, so why do americans have more high speed chases?

(assuming they do in fact have more per capita/car...)

c420 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm going to guess... because we can? Police here are willing to chase for almost anything in most jurisdictions. I bet there are restrictions on what constitutes a chasable offense in the rest of the world.

zimpenfish 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> I bet there are restrictions on what constitutes a chasable offense in the rest of the world.

UK has stuff like [0] which contains a whole bunch of "is it worth it?" considerations. Also if a chase causes a death, the officer(s) can be prosecuted[1] - I suspect the nonsense of "qualified immunity" means there's no risk to a US officer for initiating a chase that ends in death.

[0] https://www.college.police.uk/app/roads-policing/police-purs...

[1] e.g https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58889155

dmurray 5 hours ago | parent [-]

In Ireland, the police (and the public) look on the UK regime with envy.

After this case [0] the standing orders are that it's basically never worth it, you risk a prosecution no matter what the circumstances.

[0] https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-charged-aft...

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seemaze 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lots of high capacity vehicular infra in LA.. I imagine most places just have ‘chases’.

georgeecollins 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or.. https://youtu.be/RvV3nn_de2k?si=7bXkaIri1_o95Ofs

zimpenfish 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> so why do americans have more high speed chases?

Off the top of my head: 1) US cops are more likely to harass, maim, kill you than most other places (whether you've crimed or not); 2) US legal system seems a little hinky when it comes to certain people; 3) "three strikes" (not sure if that's countrywide or state-level? pretty sure it's still around tho'?) can mean life for three trivial crimes; 4) car-centric country - lots of them and everywhere is designed for cars[0].

[0] Imagine a car chase around London[1] or some other wackily streeted city.

[1] No, the godawful nonsense Hollywood comes up with does not count.

Rebelgecko 8 hours ago | parent [-]

California's 3 strikes law only applies to "serious" felonies. The list is pretty reasonable IMO. No one is getting life in prison for littering or insurance fraud

It's basically a list of violent crimes, the only one that seems out of pocket is selling PCP, meth, or cocaine to childre, which is bad but could arguably be less bad than the others on the list

aerostable_slug 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Raping an unconscious person is not on the list of violent felonies. Neither is domestic violence with traumatic injury, assault with a deadly weapon, or felony battery with serious bodily injury.

It takes a lot to earn strikes in California.

zimpenfish 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> California's 3 strikes law only applies to "serious" felonies.

But not all states are California.

> No one is getting life in prison for littering or insurance fraud

William James Rummel begs to differ[0] - fraudulent use of a credit card ($80), forged check ($28.36), failure to return payment for non-performed work ($120.75) and voila, life sentence (albeit later reduced to time served on procedural grounds.)

[0] also references "Graham v. West Virginia, a 1912 case which involved an individual convicted of three separate counts of horse thievery total[l]ing $235" which ended up in a life sentence.

In summary, some states may have sensible 3 strike laws, some may not.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle

Aurornis 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The population in big US cities is very heterogeneous. There isn’t one single culture.

In a city with large population, it only takes a few people willing to commit crimes to make the news.

stickfigure 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://www.google.com/search?q=florida+man

9cb14c1ec0 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is this perception that if you drive fast and recklessly enough the police will quickly stop following you. It's a get-out-of-jail-free card in popular perception.

twelvedogs 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

police will chase in the US for really any reason, kinda dumb when they have your plates they can just mail you a fine

john oliver did a whole thing on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ygQ2wEwJw

AnthonyMouse 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> kinda dumb when they have your plates they can just mail you a fine

Except that the person trying to get away knows that too, so if all they're doing is buying themselves a bigger fine, why are they doing it?

The answer to that could be because they stole the car, or because there's a body in the back, in which case mailing them a fine doesn't work.

idle_zealot an hour ago | parent [-]

> The answer to that could be because they stole the car, or because there's a body in the back, in which case mailing them a fine doesn't work.

Except it's almost never that. The answer is that people are stupid and impulsive.

themafia 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"I wasn't driving at the time. Someone took my car."

There is generally no crime for owning a vehicle used in a crime. The violation belongs to the _driver_ and to no one else. Burden of proof can be extreme in US courts.

dns_snek 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You don't need to be chasing them on the road. Attach a GPS tracker to the car and follow it with drone, collect surveillance footage and arrest them once they come to a stop.

themafia 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They do have GPS dart launchers and other systems. They're fairly unreliable. It's difficult for the lead driver in a chase to deploy accurately and cars are typically dirty enough to make most adhesives ineffective particularly when deployed at highway speeds.

A hoodie is enough to defeat the drone surveillance, and regardless of what facial recognition technology you use, a jury still has to buy the output of that system.

For drones with less than a 6 foot wingspan that don't require a runway you've got maybe 30 minutes of flight time at a top speed of 30 miles per hour. So unless you know where they're going already you're not going to be able to effectively deploy it in the time necessary to capture them and you can't loiter long enough to track them with infrared.

The helicopter is an insurance policy. When you have a bunch of marked units doing twice the speed limit on a long enough chase they're going to hit something. Those crashes are devastating and lead to eye watering settlement amounts. The helicopter can safely chase most vehicles at almost any speed and the risk of them crashing with any civilian or even civilian property is effectively zero.

domoregood 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, but chases involving stolen vehicles (a non-trivial percentage of all chases) means that mailing a fine to the registered owner wouldn't be a universal solution.

mschuster91 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> kinda dumb when they have your plates they can just mail you a fine

thing is, in Germany and many other European countries there's a mandate to register your place of residence with the authorities in a timely manner (i.e. 2 weeks after moving in).

Americans and Brits don't have that, so "mail them a fine" is most likely going to result in the letter not arriving where it should.

inferiorhuman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't speak to the UK but in California there are various rules around updating vehicle registration when you move. Enforcement is pretty lax unless you drive something with exceptionally high registration fees.

There's strong wording about updating voter registration when you move, but I doubt there's much in the way of actual law. If there is it's basically never enforced as far as I can tell.

almosthere 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Practice for GTA6

hackable_sand an hour ago | parent [-]

Don't forget to boycott Rockstar!

rasz 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

28 seasons of Alarm for Cobra 11 tell me Germany is riddled with criminals running from Polizei on the Autobahn.