| ▲ | cm2012 5 hours ago |
| This is such an important change for Europe. I've worked with 100+ start-ups as a consultant, and I've talked to EU ones who have been strangled by some of the regulations. |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| What were they doing with user data? |
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| ▲ | debazel 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most are running ads and needs to track the performance of their ad spend I believe, at least that what we do. We don't care at all about tracking anything other than x amount of users came from x ad source with some basic device info like mobile/desktop/etc. We tried to get rid of any tracking banners but have been unable to do so. | | |
| ▲ | hdgvhicv 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So can’t abuse people’s data without their consent is being strangled? Is that like I’m strangled with my start up of “cheapdvds.com” because I can’t sell someone else’s data? | |
| ▲ | AlexandrB 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do I stop you from tracking this information about me? | | |
| ▲ | naIak 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do not consent when asked or, better yet, do not use websites that implement these techniques. |
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| ▲ | sojsurf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Probably using off-the-shelf analytics because rolling your own analytics takes time away from solving the central problems your users are paying you for. No one is _using_ the data. It's often not even really PII except that GDPR's net is incredibly broad. I have not seen GDPR reduce the amount of data people track. It's just resulted in piles of cash being burned on lawyers' advice to make sure the company has as little GDPR-related liability as possible. Subprocessor agreements, updated Terms and Conditions, etc. Some good has come out of it, such as less backup retention, and some basic data breach plans, but a lot of it is theater. | |
| ▲ | cm2012 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Number one use case is sending anonymized and hashed data back to the ad platform to trigger conversion events. Essentially all modern advertising is done algorithmically. The platform takes conversion events (a typical event is "someone fills out a form"), that signal is sent to the platforms, and the platforms use it to serve your ad to other people who may be interested. GDPR as it is means you need opt-in to do this, so it greatly reduces the effectiveness of online ad targeting. So in practice, say you make a new cool B2B tool for, say, plumbers. It automates your plumbing business and makes plumbers more money. In the US, you can make a Meta ad campaign with broad targeting and Meta will use algorithmic magic and be able to just find plumbers for you to show your ad to. In the EU, this doesn't work as well, so its harder to find plumbers to show your ads to. Less plumbers get to use your product as a result. So its just one reason it's hard to get your EU based Plumbing SaaS off the ground. | | |
| ▲ | Neikius 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Biggest issue with this is the modern web ads don't even work. You get ads for fridge AFTER you bought one since they now know you browsed them. What works is content based advertising - so advertise a power drill on a woodworking hobbyist site. No tracking required there. Conversion can be obtained when user clicks a link via redirect. Like in the good ol times. But this modern approach that massively invades privacy has been sold to businesses and now they require it even though it is probably ineffectual. | | |
| ▲ | debazel 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > What works is content based advertising - so advertise a power drill on a woodworking hobbyist site. No tracking required there. Conversion can be obtained when user clicks a link via redirect. Like in the good ol times. This still requires tracking to follow the user through the whole flow, which is required unless you want to be defrauded with fake users at the very least, but also very important to track the actual performance of each ad source. | | |
| ▲ | AlexandrB 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do things that are important to the advertiser trump what's important to the user? I don't care how hard it is for you to track the performance of your ad sources, I just want you to stop tracking me. | | |
| ▲ | debazel 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because without ads we're not profitable so there would be no service? You can't just buy a domain, put your service out there, and expect it to gain traction. Advertising that you actually exist is essential for any service, but especially so for smaller businesses and startups. |
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| ▲ | Telaneo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > GDPR as it is means you need opt-in to do this, so it greatly reduces the effectiveness of online ad targeting. Good! I don't want ads to be a thing in the first place. It's a good thing that industry is being strangled by regulation. | |
| ▲ | saubeidl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Essentially all modern advertising is evil. | |
| ▲ | mihaaly 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They are strangled by rules in using personal data on algorithmic advertismenet? GOOD! |
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| ▲ | mihaaly 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I do not care about 100s of startups and how they want to use my data for advertisement or other things they benefit from. I care about keeping my personal data private so it will be more difficult to use for profiling me for whatever (whatever!) reason, but all are for other's benefit on no or marginal benefit for me in overwhelmingly major part of the cases. If startups cannot do properly, then they should not do at all! They must spend on handling personal data well if they want to handle personal data at all! There are way enough already and most are just go out and bust, circulating data collected who knows where and how. And they are surprised it is so hard compiling data on people, people are increasingly reluctant to share because the so many abuse and actual damages caused by personal data abused. People are important, not the startups! |
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| ▲ | debazel 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure and that's why EU now has the weakest tech sector of any service industry and have become absolutely dependent on US and Chinese software instead. I cannot even use my official government ID application that is mandatory almost everywhere without signing on to Google or Apple, so much for data privacy and sovereignty. | | |
| ▲ | rester324 an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is pretty much untrue. Look at India, Africa, South America, Japan, Singapore, UK, Israel, the Arab world, Turkey, Russia, Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland, or Australia and compared to them the EU is doing just fine | | |
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| ▲ | dannersy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Honestly? Sounds like incompetence. I have never had issues with GDPR compliance. If their business is using people's data in an irresponsible or intrusive way, then they probably shouldn't succeed. The engineering problems it introduces aren't hard problems. |
