| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 6 hours ago |
| Mastodon is great. It's just unfortunate that the number of people is on the low side. |
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| ▲ | pndy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I see bots that import from/link to other sources, bots that are clearly someone's attempts at automation. Then "classic" ad spam bots and countless porn/drawn lewd content profiles and even instances that contain nothing else. Normal people are getting buried beneath all of this trash and if you actually want to have some conversations you need to either look up by particular tags or comment in trending posts. |
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| ▲ | jeromegv 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Normal people are getting buried beneath all of this trash This is the entire opposite of my experience on Mastodon. I get buried in trash on Twitter, any semi-popular tweet ends up with hundreds of bots and racial slurs. I see none of that on Mastodon Really curious how you ended up in a situation like that. | | |
| ▲ | pndy 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I tried two different instances and two different accounts, following people and really extensive post filtering and it still happen. Also no matter if content was filtered or not, three different applications on iOS and Android were crashing after trying to scroll through streams - local and federated. I guess it was because of that trash overload. It's not like I don't like mastodon, fediverse - on contrary, it's an amazing idea. I had really nice conversations there for a while - till people drop their masks. | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Curious: Are you looking at the local/federated timeline, or just the people you follow? I strongly urge you to stick to the latter. I get nothing like what you describe, but I ensure the local/federated timeline stays out of my feed. | | |
| ▲ | cthulha 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I also just read the timeline of followed accounts, and even a list of 'must-reads' for the high-value people, but I'm also aware that this isn't the way other people liked to use Twitter/Mastodon. Maybe that's why this discussion is so split between "I read my follows and love it" || "I read the open feeds and hate the stream of trash" Not sure what can be done when there's such an adversarial environment for open social media - everything you need for a federated environment can be misused by bad actors or neglected by naive well-intentioned ones :/ |
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| ▲ | dsr_ 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the fediverse is great but: the specific desire for "more people that you already know coming to the Fediverse" is good; the general desire "more people" is not such a useful goal. |
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| ▲ | bigiain 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah. Everybody wants "more of the right kind of people", but there are as many interpretations of "the right kind of people" as there are people. People and interactions between them are just messy. And that's not a thing there can be any tech solutions to. For me, there are several clear step changes in groups based on size and there closeness of the relationships. A close circle of perhaps up to a dozen or two trustworthy friends is different to that same sized group of less trusted people. As the group size grows, it becomes less possible for the sort if "trusted" status of all group members to exist, and that fundamentally changes things. There's another step change when the group gets big enough that you can't personally know all the members. And another big step change when the group gets big enough that you can't even recognise all the members names (in my head, this is associated with a lot if the postulating about Dunbar's Number, however bad that research really was). |
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| ▲ | verdverm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On boarding is too complicated for your average social user https://atproto.com has more of the developer mindshare now |
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| ▲ | lutoma 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's also effectively centralized. Of course that makes the experience easier. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you cannot reach UX that normal people will use, you're building for the very few tradeoffs are acceptable to help our social fabric to take a step in a better direction and away from corporate silos and the attention economy | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except that usernames contain a domain name component, and the “bare” username likely isn’t globally unique, the UX is nearly the same as other microblogs. And as to that username bit, people are used to joe@gmail.com and joe@outlook.com being different people, and having to specify which one they’re trying to send an email to. Everyone who’s both email and Twitter already understands all the basic concepts. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And as to that username bit, people are used to joe@gmail.com and joe@outlook.com being different people, and having to specify which one they’re trying to send an email to. User handles are unique in ATProto because of the domain, just like email. Not sure what the "except" part is about. Can you clarify? In ATProto, they are not "bare" ActivityPub is the same, except they are tied to the server you join. In ATProto, they are decoupled from your data host so you can move your data and server without changing your handle. You can also change your handle without moving anything else, because handle points to a DID behind the scenes | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah, to be clear, I was thinking of ActivityPub. How’s ATProto work for the 99.9% of people who don’t own domains? | | |
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| ▲ | Zak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The thing I really don't love about ATProto is its decision, or that of its dominant implementation to enforce a schema ("lexicon") on content, limiting interoperation between disparate software. This violates the Old Internet idea of software being liberal about what it accepts. For a concrete example, I tagged a Lemmy community in a Mastodon post today. Lemmy is Reddit-like and Mastodon is Twitter-like, but it displays reasonable on Lemmy using the first line of the post as a title and expanding to the attached image when clicked in the default Lemmy UI. I can also post a long-form article on Wordpress (with a plugin) and have it show up in Mastodon even though it has a short character limit by default. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's an incorrect assessment Lexicon schema are not enforced, they are a tool for social coordination, and most implementations are very liberal in what they accept https://www.pfrazee.com/blog/lexicon-guidance > isTool: true; isRule: false; meaning: undefined ActivityPub by contrast lacks such social coordination and many apps are reusing the same schema for very different concepts, leading to its own form of over-complexity |
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| ▲ | tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | how do you measure "too complicted"? | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Didn't measure what complicated means, these are the words people who churned use Generally the first point is server selection. That's too complicated for most users | | |
| ▲ | tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Somehow I doubt it is. People are capable of selecting phones, phone network providers, e-mail providers, Internet providers, but selecting a server for mastodon is too complicated? Don't buy it | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Don't buy it Not listening to users is when learning stops You are making bad analogies, instead compare AP to other social media networks and what users expect when signing up |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s actually why I never tried it. Server selection. Choice paralysis. Gave up. |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's another centralised service |
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| ▲ | LastTrain 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wish it were better. I really want to move to it, but they’ve somehow managed to even make something as simple as liking a toot unintuitive. Boost and favorite don’t fit the bill. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Honest question: Why is it important to like a toot? What benefit does liking one provide? | | |
| ▲ | abdullahkhalids 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It indicates to the poster that someone (you) liked their post. Perhaps that encourages them to make other similar posts. | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In which case either favorite or bookmark will do the trick, correct? Why worry whether you're clicking the "wrong" one? Boost will also do it, but it has more side effects. | | |
| ▲ | abdullahkhalids an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | In real life, your friend tells you a moderately funny story that happened to him. You tell the friend, "nice story" (that's a like). Another friend tells you a super funny story. You then go and tell other friends this same funny story. (that's a boost). Different real life things, that are captured by digital tools. What I have a problem with are quote tweets, which are like talking about someone in front of them, without including them in the conversation. | |
| ▲ | LastTrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because I don’t want to boost or add the toot to a perma-list, I just want to give the person that posted something I like some acknowledgement. |
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| ▲ | krapp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That sounds like exactly the kind of addiction-reinforcing Skinner box nonsense that leads to influencers, parasocial relationships and a content economy, and all of the dark patterns of social media that the fediverse is designed to avoid. People shouldn't be posting to get the endorphine rush from clicks or to satisfy metrics. They should post whatever they want, whenever they want. If you like what someone posts, you can follow their account, or better yet the hashtags they use. That should be sufficient. Not having a like button seems like a good design choice TBH. | | |
| ▲ | LastTrain 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The issue with social media isn’t with encouraging or content creators, it is with how consumers are conditioned. | | |
| ▲ | krapp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The incentives are related and create a feedback loop. Give someone a number and they'll do whatever it takes to make that number go up. |
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| ▲ | LastTrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn’t important, it’s just something I would like to do. |
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| ▲ | tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | how is clicking a heart or a star - depending on the UI - unintuitive? |
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| ▲ | criddell 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At some point more users would probably make everything worse. Having a low user count is probably a good thing. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's just unfortunate that the number of people is on the low side. You mean like HN? |
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| ▲ | protocolture 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If i logged into my account, its probably just some german hackers, some weird people, and a bot that posts the current big ben chimes in an amusing way. I love it. Empty is good. |
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| ▲ | prmoustache 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I view it as a good thing. |
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| ▲ | INTPenis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape. |
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