| ▲ | verdverm 6 hours ago |
| On boarding is too complicated for your average social user https://atproto.com has more of the developer mindshare now |
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| ▲ | lutoma 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's also effectively centralized. Of course that makes the experience easier. |
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| ▲ | verdverm 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you cannot reach UX that normal people will use, you're building for the very few tradeoffs are acceptable to help our social fabric to take a step in a better direction and away from corporate silos and the attention economy | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except that usernames contain a domain name component, and the “bare” username likely isn’t globally unique, the UX is nearly the same as other microblogs. And as to that username bit, people are used to joe@gmail.com and joe@outlook.com being different people, and having to specify which one they’re trying to send an email to. Everyone who’s both email and Twitter already understands all the basic concepts. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And as to that username bit, people are used to joe@gmail.com and joe@outlook.com being different people, and having to specify which one they’re trying to send an email to. User handles are unique in ATProto because of the domain, just like email. Not sure what the "except" part is about. Can you clarify? In ATProto, they are not "bare" ActivityPub is the same, except they are tied to the server you join. In ATProto, they are decoupled from your data host so you can move your data and server without changing your handle. You can also change your handle without moving anything else, because handle points to a DID behind the scenes | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah, to be clear, I was thinking of ActivityPub. How’s ATProto work for the 99.9% of people who don’t own domains? | | |
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| ▲ | Zak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The thing I really don't love about ATProto is its decision, or that of its dominant implementation to enforce a schema ("lexicon") on content, limiting interoperation between disparate software. This violates the Old Internet idea of software being liberal about what it accepts. For a concrete example, I tagged a Lemmy community in a Mastodon post today. Lemmy is Reddit-like and Mastodon is Twitter-like, but it displays reasonable on Lemmy using the first line of the post as a title and expanding to the attached image when clicked in the default Lemmy UI. I can also post a long-form article on Wordpress (with a plugin) and have it show up in Mastodon even though it has a short character limit by default. |
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| ▲ | verdverm 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's an incorrect assessment Lexicon schema are not enforced, they are a tool for social coordination, and most implementations are very liberal in what they accept https://www.pfrazee.com/blog/lexicon-guidance > isTool: true; isRule: false; meaning: undefined ActivityPub by contrast lacks such social coordination and many apps are reusing the same schema for very different concepts, leading to its own form of over-complexity |
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| ▲ | tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| how do you measure "too complicted"? |
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| ▲ | verdverm 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Didn't measure what complicated means, these are the words people who churned use Generally the first point is server selection. That's too complicated for most users | | |
| ▲ | tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Somehow I doubt it is. People are capable of selecting phones, phone network providers, e-mail providers, Internet providers, but selecting a server for mastodon is too complicated? Don't buy it | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Don't buy it Not listening to users is when learning stops You are making bad analogies, instead compare AP to other social media networks and what users expect when signing up |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s actually why I never tried it. Server selection. Choice paralysis. Gave up. |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's another centralised service |
