| ▲ | delaminator 7 hours ago |
| > Out in the country, you still don't really need brighter headlights. I guess you don't actually drive at night in the countryside then. You need lights to see where the road is, not where pedestrians might be - on none existent footpaths |
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| ▲ | everdrive 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I live in the woods in the northeast US, and also grew up in the 80s-90s in a very rural area and I've owned a number of cars when I was young, some with comically dim lights. You really don't need the bright lights. You never have. Slow down, look for movement, and use your brights intelligently. |
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| ▲ | macNchz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Growing up in rural New England it seemed that people were constantly hitting deer with their cars—slowing down is obviously a good idea, but every additional foot of headlight distance certainly helps for spotting the glint of an eyeball on the side of the road. | |
| ▲ | 4MOAisgoodenuf 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In a densely wooded area, no. Your sight line is naturally blocked by trees, so a farther throw of light would be wasted In more open areas it can be quite helpful to have greater throw and flood illumination. In the American Midwest, being able to spot ice patches or deer on the interstate with your brights is quite helpful. Normal driving lights have no need for the intensity they have today though | |
| ▲ | technothrasher 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I also live in the woods in the northeast US, also grew up in a very rural area (in the 70s-80s), and I still own a few 70s and 80s cars with comically dim lights. Yeah, they're not good. 1) They're very noticeably worse comparing them back to back to modern cars, and 2) my eyes are no longer young. Can I drive with them? Sure. Is it less safe? You bet. | |
| ▲ | lan321 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Slow down is kind of the general tip, but I find it kinda BS. I can drive slowly focusing on the bushes on the way to/from work in bumfuck nowhere, or I can get some beacon of god aux LEDs for cheap and turn night into day. | | |
| ▲ | everdrive 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > or I can get some beacon of god aux LEDs for cheap and turn night into day. But only if you don't care about other drivers on the road. And of course, how many of those other drivers on the road care about who they're impacting? A lot of them have your attitude. | |
| ▲ | alt227 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I can get some beacon of god aux LEDs for cheap and turn night into day. And piss all other drivers off around you. This is the whole point of the thread you are posting in, but then if people cant realise or even care when they are blinding people I dont expect them to have fully read or understood the thread article. | |
| ▲ | afavour 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "I can get some beacon of god aux LEDs for cheap and turn night into day" they said, in a topic entitled "Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright" | | |
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| ▲ | delaminator 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | we're not talking about the northeast US and sure, you don't need to drive over 20mph on a 60mph limit road ... |
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| ▲ | danw1979 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not to be pedantic but you do need to be able to see pedestrians at night too, who can legally walk on country roads on either side, without reflectors or illumination. It’s the car drivers responsibility to not mow pedestrians down wherever or whenever they are walking. |
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| ▲ | krona 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not least because hitting a person at 50mph on a country lane will cause serious amounts of damage to your car and ruin your day! | |
| ▲ | delaminator 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My point was that it is not pedestrians I worry about walking on the carriageway on a 60mph limit road, it's the trees |
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| ▲ | redwall_hp 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of smaller US cities also have areas with no lighting and worn-out lines, which contrast with brightly lit areas and suddenly you're basically blind if your lights are too dim. Couple that with a wet road, which reduces visibility, and it can be hard to see where to drive. Then we have pedestrians walking with no sidewalks or crosswalks, because city planning actively hostile to people walking. |
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| ▲ | barbazoo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I just realized I bet it’s sometimes a speed issue. I don’t need bright lights, maybe because I’m a slow driver. Drive faster and you have to have brighter lights shining farther into the distance to be able to see at least a couple seconds ahead. |
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| ▲ | taeric 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And, notably, those couple of seconds can be key to seeing far off wildlife that may decide to cross the road. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also notably, so bright they burn the retinas of said wildlife and any drivers or pedesttrians approaching you. | | |
| ▲ | taeric 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, the new stupid bright lights, yes. The idea of brights in general, though, not quite as bad. I'm also not clear why someone would leave brights up once they are close to something that has eyes. The idea is you can see them further away. But, as you get close, drop the lights. |
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| ▲ | graemep 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think part of the problem is people drive at the speed limit regardless of conditions. If its dark and wet you really should not drive at the same speed as when its sunny and dry. If you are unfamiliar with a twisty road you need to slow down. If there are more pedestrians around than usual you need to slow down. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree with you 100%. The speed limit isn't seen as a limit, culturally, in the united states from what I can tell. Anymore, it's treated as the minimum socially acceptable speed on roads. |
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| ▲ | jpfromlondon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I do, and old school yellow high-beams were plenty on a 205 to do 80+mph down b-roads back in the 00's, I would happily go back to that if it meant I could avoid being blinded every ten minutes. |
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| ▲ | danw1979 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’d be happy with other drivers just turning their main beam off slightly faster than 5 seconds after they have seen me. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Id be happy if most drivers just realised they have a dial which adjusts the angle of their headlights and used it accordingly. | |
| ▲ | jpfromlondon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | or at all, but when they're higher than you, or climbing a hill a casual blinding is unavoidable with the current laser-based headlights. |
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| ▲ | mingus88 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| All cars in the U.S. used the same headlights up until the early 80s. You could literally walk into the auto parts store and buy a headlight to replace yours, regardless of make and model Somehow we all did ok back then with standard high/low beams from lights which are very dim and warm compared to the harsh white LED lights of today It seems to me that this is just another example of the arms race of modern cars. You need a big SUV to feel safe on a road full of SUVs and trucks. You need an array of dazzling LEDs to compete with every other car out there. And we all lose. |
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| ▲ | greedo 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Somehow we all did ok..." This is an anecdotal fallacy. We also did fine without seatbelts, with parents who smoked, with open containers in cars, with DDT sprayed in our neighborhoods. Until we realized that was crazy. Not all improvements are without side effects. Increased headlight quality is one of those. | | | |
| ▲ | toast0 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > All cars in the U.S. used the same headlights up until the early 80s. Hey, there were several models. For a long time you had the two filament bulbs vs single filament. And then around the late 70s, you could have circle or rectangle, so there were 4 bulbs to choose from! Tremendous variety. | |
| ▲ | biofox 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The red queen effect. We'll end up all driving flood-lit bulldozers. |
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| ▲ | lozenge 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well this is why headlights have dipped beam and full beam. The issue is the dipped beam is getting as bright as the full beam used to be, and is mounted higher on the car as well. |
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| ▲ | Frost1x 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not what’s meant by pedestrians but usually you’re also looking for wildlife, like deer, that you could hit. |
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| ▲ | hampowder 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The parent is talking about needing _brighter_ headlights, not headlights in general. |
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| ▲ | graemep 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I need to drive through the countryside to get to other towns. A lot of it is A roads - few pedestrians and they are on pavements. On country lanes, I think traditional lights are usually bright enough. if not, slow down at might. |