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inasio 12 hours ago

Skunks apparently make great pets (but need to have their stink glands surgically extracted), the pitch is smart like a cat but faithful like dogs

cinntaile 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think dogs in general are smarter than cats.

ExoticPearTree 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I think dogs in general are smarter than cats.

This is exactly what a dog would say.

nunez 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dogs and cats have different modalities for intelligence.

Dogs are social animals that have evolved to be human companions a long time ago. This is why they are "trainable" and, therefore, seem more intelligent.

Cats are not; they are extremely good hunters that by and large tolerate humans in exchange for easy access to food and water. You can't really train them, but they will find hiding spots you didn't even know existed and you will NEVER have problems with mice with one around.

Sohcahtoa82 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dogs are certainly better at looking intelligent. I think dogs, being a more social animal, are more eager to please, and so are willing to be trained.

Cats can vary wildly. One of my cats seems dumb as a box of rocks and haven't even grasped the idea of object permanence. If she's tracking a laser, and I move it around a corner, she can't figure out where it went. She goes from intense staring and tracking to standing up and looking around, confused. When I bring the laser back around the corner, she's instantly back to squatting and tracking it.

cosmic_cheese 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Cats can vary wildly. One of my cats seems dumb as a box of rocks and haven't even grasped the idea of object permanence

Similarly I've seen cats have one of two reactions to a mirror: ignoring it entirely or actually using it by e.g. looking me in the eyes and meowing at me through it. While I've not witnessed it personally on the internet there's also tons of videos of cats freaking out and trying to fight the other cat in the mirror.

This supports the idea that the gamut of intelligence in cats is quite wide.

coderenegade 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Our dog remembers the location of toys at the park over long periods of time, though being able to sniff them out probably helps. He also expresses genuine surprise and suspicion when he sees novel objects (e.g. the large Christmas tree that was put up in the park, a horse and rider), because he knows they're not usually there. He doesn't like fat people, which is embarrassing, but I also knew a dog as a teenager that freaked out anytime it saw someone who wasn't Asian. Just given the amount of back and forth communication that happens between most owners and their dogs, they're very clever. Cats are some of the best hunters in the animal kingdom, but I've never felt that they're there in the way that dogs are.

estimator7292 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've known many dogs that fail this test, too.

mc32 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are they as randy in real life as Pepe lePew?

TylerE 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Removing the scent glands of a skunk is considered about as ethical as declawing a cat. It just isn't really done anymore. Maybe 30 years ago...

cogman10 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't really understand this. Isn't it about as surgically invasive as getting a pet spayed?

Does the scent gland do anything more than just stinking? For a cat, removing the claws literally removes bones from them. It limits their mobility and hurts like hell.

(Not that I want a pet skunk. Just curious as to why it's unethical)

underlipton 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>Does the scent gland do anything more than just stinking?

It's part of their communication system. There's no direct corollary in human qualia, but you might say it's akin to permanently destroying your ability to flirt or tell other people that something belongs to you. You would still experience the impulse, but not have the cognitive equipment to do so any longer. Removing scent glands destroys the physiological equipment, of course.

TylerE 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, you're removing part of a living animal for human convenience. If the ethical issue isn't obvious I don't know what to tell you.

The practice has been banned in the UK for almost 20 years, under the exact same laws as ban declawing cats. It's unnecessary mutilation with no medical justification.

cogman10 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We do a lot of bad things to animals for human convenience. Including forced breeding and raising them to be slaughtered.

The ethics is murky to me because I assume the procedure doesn't cause lasting pain and allows the animals to be pampered pets. The alternative is they are kept wild.

TylerE 8 hours ago | parent [-]

There are plenty of quite happy non-descented skunks out there.

They don’t just go around spraying. It’s a defense mechanism - pretty much their only one as a matter of fact. Tame pets are very unlikely to spray anyone not trying to hurt them.

quickthrowman 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We neuter male cats so they don’t spray piss everywhere and spay female cats so they don’t go into heat and scream incessantly to be let outside.

Both procedures seem slightly more invasive than removing a scent gland in a skunk, given that it removes the sex organs that secrete hormones and changes their behavior for the rest of their life.

It’s possible that a skunk gets anxious when it tries to spray and nothing comes out, I can’t say I’m an expert in skunk behavior, it just seems less invasive than spaying or neutering to me.

TylerE 6 hours ago | parent [-]

No, we neuter and spay so we are not overrun with feral cats. Not to control where they piss.