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hexbin010 8 hours ago

I have insane admiration for and quite a serious amount of jealousy of people who are able to sail through life with with every setback sailing right past them, leaving no trace or mark.

I've noticed it more in people who had a comfortable upringing and no money worries. Oh dear, dinner is burnt? No worries just order takeout! Lost your passport a few days before a holiday - no sweat, just pay the fast track processing fee. Car broken down? Just jump in a taxi. Coffee ruined your top? Just buy another one. Etc. Money often means far fewer worries in life, and kids must definitely notice and feel that.

As you can probably guess, I grew up relatively poor. Every day/week something would be causing my parents stress, often related to money. No amount of grounding themselves or belly breathing would have alleviated the stress.

I know the article is about smaller things, many of which of money can't fix, but I do wonder if growing up in a low-stress environment (largely because of no money issues) instills something that enables you to not sweat the minor things in life

Aurornis 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think those people you’re thinking about sail through life and never get bothered by anything at all. You probably only see them deal with things that are below their level of worry or frustration. They’re not going to be unbothered by the death of a loved one or major financial catastrophe.

However people who have good emotional control can appear to be emotionally invincible relative to people who are turn every minor annoyance into a catastrophe and are completely devastated by anything with minor significance.

> I've noticed it more in people who had a comfortable upringing and no money worries. Oh dear, dinner is burnt? No worries just order takeout! Lost your passport a few days before a holiday - no sweat, just pay the fast track processing fee. Car broken down? Just jump in a taxi. Coffee ruined your top? Just buy another one.

You’re only seeing one very narrow version of problems in their life that are easily solved by money.

I grew up around some kids who were very wealthy. Some had net worths in excess of $10 million in their 20s because their parents were tax optimizing their inheritance over decades.

While they were unbothered by simple things that could be solved with a credit card (burnt dinner, spilled coffee) they were, in general, much less prepared to handle the stresses of life than their peers. In fact, I can think of many examples where they fell apart and some who spiraled immediately into drug addiction the first time they encountered life problems that weren’t easily solved by money: Being broken up with by a love interest, denied promotions because they weren’t performing as well as their peers, doing poorly at their expensive colleges.

So I wouldn’t agree at all that wealthy people are inherently more resilient to stress. You’re only looking at a narrow set of financial problems which are already solved for them. Having those problems solved for them can actually lead to lower levels of stress resilience when the real problems come along.

ripe 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your points and examples are valid. However, when you say:

> I wouldn’t agree at all that wealthy people are inherently more resilient to stress

I beg to differ.

I think the OP is talking about growing up in poverty. Repeated stress with no relief, which is the condition of poor people in society, has been shown to affect their resilience. (Sorry, I don't have references handy, but these should be easy to find).

cindyllm 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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is_true 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the opposite is true, too.

With some friends we make a couple of "stressful" escapades every year and since I started doing it I feel that most things don't worry.

Nothing I do regularly in my daily life equals being lost in the mountains not being sure if we are gonna make it. It gives you some perspective.

turnsout 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you might want to examine your assumption that there are people who "sail through life." It may seem that way from the outside, and you may even observe people handling everyday stressors well. But I promise you, everyone is struggling. Everyone suffers. (btw, that's actually the first Noble Truth of Buddhism).

But you can learn ways to separate the stress you can't control from the stress you can control (your reaction/behavior), which is the foundation of CBT & ACT (and is the third Noble Truth).

I personally don't think upbringing has a big impact on our natural ability to do this; I think it's mostly genetic. But it doesn't really matter.

The good news is, the brain is plastic, and you absolutely can change your mind and behaviors pretty radically over time. This is the science behind psychological flexibility / ACT—and yes, it does replicate.

When I find myself thinking "some people just have it easier," I try to ask myself "is that a workable worldview? If I follow that train of thought, is that moving me in the right direction? Or is it causing me to give up or give in to resentment and frustration? Could I just let it pass?" You don't have to argue with the thought; you can just notice it and let it float on by.

PaulDavisThe1st 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Years ago I heard someone, possibly on NPR's Fresh Air, talking about how thoughts were a lot like food: just as we can make decisions about what we eat - "no, I am not going to eat that (now|today|ever)" - we can also learn to identify thoughts that have negative effects on us and when they happen we can choose not to think them.

At the time, this sounded a bit fanciful and just a bit ridiculous to me. Over the decades since, it has come to be one of my foundational philosophies. Obviously, I am unable to stick to it all the time, just as I sometimes eat food that I know is going to make me feel bad. But it's there as a guiding principle, all the time.

cootsnuck 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yup, I've realized similar. "You are what you eat" and also "You are what you think". But like you said, it's not about scrutinizing every single thing you think/eat but more about recognizing patterns and seeing if those patterns are aligned with your own values.

colechristensen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not money. It's attachment to expectations.

No amount of poverty or wealth will reduce your road rage. How you react to people not following the rules of the road as you expect them is on you.

If a toddler spills juice on your dress on your wedding day, rich or poor you're just going to have a stained dress and whether you scream or laugh about it really doesn't have anything to do with money.

Money is an adaptation but certainly not the only one to unexpected difficulty. It is easy to fantasize that everything would be better just if you had x, but that's a scapegoat that lets you be the way that you are because you're powerless to do something about it... it's wrong. How you react to the world is in your power and it's free. And very often it's exactly the reverse, poverty isn't giving you a bad attitude, having a bad attitude is making and keeping you poor.

Trasmatta 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> No amount of poverty or wealth will reduce your road rage. How you react to people not following the rules of the road as you expect them is on you.

Yes, but being raised in poverty can be inherently traumatic, and adverse childhood experiences (like those frequently experienced during poverty) can reduce a person's capacity for dealing with stressors. You might benefit from reading the latest research on trauma, adverse childhood experiences, and CPTSD.

Refreeze5224 6 hours ago | parent [-]

This is a very important point that many people are unaware of unless they have experienced it. Poverty leaves a ton of invisible scars that a simple change in bank balance or net worth cannot erase. These scars compound over generations, and explain a lot of things about modern society that people unaware of the effects of poverty attribute to "moral failings" of individuals.

Trasmatta 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly!! And this isn't just theoretical. There is a ton of hard scientific evidence showing that this is the case.

ranger_danger 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with money, or even the stress of the environment inherently, I think it's all about how people choose to deal with their problems.

You could be raised in a poor home and grow up to a work in a "high stress" environment with ease because at some point you chose not to be too bothered by it.

throw_this_one 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably it's learned behavior from the parents. When your parents had good intentions but really panicked or scolded you like the world was going to end when you did something wrong... that can have a subconscious impact in your life that every wrong move and every thing that happened could be a matter of survival.

bbminner 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the artcle might be missing one core premise of ACT - that it is not meant to help you to deal with negative emotions it the moment all that much.

The book on ACT I'm reading (happiness trap - from the founder of the technique) goes to great length to say that trying to "deal with negative emotions" (anxiety, sadness, etc) using affirmations, rationalization, etc is a dead end - it's not helping in the long run most of the time and is actively distracting and takes a lot of effort that could be put elsewhere.

The suggested path (that i am finding somewhat helpful) is to learn to act in accordance with your values regardless of how you feel and the story you tell in your head. It will still suck balls day to day, but on top of that, in the long run, you will feel more at peace and in control and respect yourself for following your chosen path.

The core realization is that while it may seem like your feelings (anxiety) and the story that plays in your head* is what makes up YOU, you may treat these as biological and early developmental "warnings" that your brain has learned to warn you of danger, and you most likely will feel this way for the rest of your life and won't have control over that, but you are actually FREE to choose how to act in response to these situations.

It may seem like these feelings and thoughts are making you act in a certain way, but they are not!

In your example, the feeling of financial anxiety could be accompanied by a thought like - "shit, how am i going to pay for that, why does it always happen to me, how do i fix it, why do i have to ruin it for myself and people i care about by being so sloppy, why does the universe makes it so hard for me and so much easier for others.." - and there's nothing you can do to change that feeling or that thought pattern in your head.

But what you can do is to use one of the techniques to (very temporarily) tune out of this thought train, check in with your values (eg taking care of loved ones), and choose a course of action that fits these as much as possible given the circumstances (eg find a way to spend quality time with them on a tighther budget) and DESPITE all that noise in your head.

A large chunk of the book is focused on consciously discovering your core values.

Is it easier to act with integrity (eg not snap at loved ones) moment to moment if you are not under financial stress or if that stress was not a part of your upbringing? Sure as hell! And given these unfair and idiotic and unnecessary circumstances that caused your internal machinery to work the way it does right now (stay alert at all times), it is your decision to commit to a further course of action - either numb your pain short-term (by ruminating, or alcohol, etc) or act in accordance with your values. Your (highly uncooperative ancient meat lizard) brain will still pull you towards a short term fix - because it is its primitive reward-seeking job, and you will inevitably loose control and let it win sometimes (esp under stress), but there is a part of you that can choose to patiently course correct your behavior towards your higher level values every time that happens. Or maybe you know that at this very moment you do not have resources to course correct much - and that's okay, as long as you are being honest with yourself and act accordingly (eg "i need to find a way to take better care of myself atm - to free up resources to take better care of others, it would be against my values to overwork myself to the bone and be so exhausted that i struggle to catch myself when I'm being mean to them").

One additional realization that i found helpful is that, in the face of such challenges, your brain is quite good at making you think that it knows how everything works - so you feel more in control, and so that the path of least resistance (doing nothing or numb your pain now) seems like the most rational one that agrees with your values. An antidote to that I found helpful is to remind yourself that you know very little about who you are (beyond the silly story playing in your head on repeat), and how you will react to things, and who other people are, and what's going on for them. So you can choose to plan your behavior to align with your values under the assumption that you know infinitely little about both yourself and others.

tldr is that pain is inevitable, but you may reduce (but not eliminate) suffering if you learn to act with integrity in the face of it