| ▲ | TheCoreh 13 hours ago |
| Very weird USB-C port placement choices... - 2 USB3-A on the front - 2 USB2-A on the back - 1 USB-C on the back If you want to plug an external USB hard drive or SSD at full speed, you'll need to plug it at the front? Or use up the only USB-C port... I suspect most joysticks sold today come with a USB-C to USB-C cable, so if you want to charge your controller you either need to plug on the back, use an adapter, or get a USB-A to USB-C cable? Also the single USB-C port isn't Thunderbolt/USB4, and they're only including gigabit ethernet, which is disappointing but perhaps understandable if they're trying to keep it at a low price. |
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| ▲ | preston4tw 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Valve / Steam presumably has good data on what controllers and peripherals people are using, so I'd imagine their port choices are based around that. Here's a June 2024 post talking about Steam Input and controller market share: https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail... . At the time of the post they say "59% of sessions are using Xbox controllers, 26% are using PlayStation controllers, 10% are on Steam Decks" |
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| ▲ | ivanjermakov 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Steam input controller says nothing about the interface being used (USB A vs USB C). A single USB C (with DP support, I hope) port in 2026 sounds like a bad design. | | |
| ▲ | senbrow 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Almost everyone is using these controllers wirelessly if I had to hazard a guess. The USB interface is used for initial pairing and charging, in which case the port location doesn't matter nearly as much. | |
| ▲ | pseudosavant 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People know that USB hubs exist and are inexpensive right? |
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| ▲ | stetrain 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most gaming peripherals still seem to use USB-A on the computer end for cables and dongles. Current Xbox and PS5 controllers charge with a USB-C port on the controller end but a USB-A port where the plug into the console. |
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| ▲ | SchemaLoad 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | For controllers you can use any cable you want. The Xbox controller will charge just fine on a C-C cable. I don't think they should have gone all in on USB-C like laptops have, but there should have been more than one USB-C and one should have been on the front. Pretty much the only thing you need USB-A for these days is mice/keyboard with non removable cables. Which are becoming increasingly rare. | | |
| ▲ | stetrain 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Of course you can swap cables or adapt. I was taking about the cables these devices come with. I’m all about the USB-C lifestyle but PC gaming peripherals are still pretty dominated by USB-A. |
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| ▲ | rtkwe 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You'd be wrong C to A is still pretty standard for controllers in my experience. As for gigabit fewer and fewer people have ethernet routed to their office/TV area much less >1gig networking to take advantage of anything better than a 1 gig. |
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| ▲ | SchemaLoad 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree that gigabit Ethernet is adequate for the type of product this is. But I do find it funny that the Wifi chip on this is very likely capable of 2Gbit. We somehow entered a world where WiFi is typically faster than Ethernet. | | |
| ▲ | tempest_ 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | What do you mean some how? Most people can't or wont retrofit their homes with wired networking. Those that did in the last couple decades likely used cat5/e. The demand in the consumer space definitely favours advances in wifi. | | |
| ▲ | SchemaLoad 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | For pretty much all computing history wired has been faster than wireless. And it seems reasonable that high speed wired should be simpler and easier than wireless. It's only just in the last few years the speed of wifi in devices has overtaken wired. It almost seems silly to even include a wired port when the wifi chip is faster. | | |
| ▲ | tempest_ 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wired networking is faster than wireless, just not in the consumer space. Most data center networking is 10s of gigabits on the lower end. People are throwing out 10/40gb hardware at this point. There just isnt any pressure in the consumer space. Most people don't even have 1gb internet connection and that is where they access most of their data. | | |
| ▲ | SchemaLoad 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It always has been faster in the consumer space too. It's really only just now with MIMO and 160Mhz wifi bands that wifi is faster on most devices than ethernet. |
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| ▲ | terribleperson 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I feel like part of the problem with going beyond gigabit Ethernet is that copper beyond 1 gigabit is expensive with limited adoption. SFP+ fiber is superior and not even expensive any more, but there's no consumer adoption. | |
| ▲ | tagyro 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | mmm ...let's agree to disagree I wired my whole place with 10Gb - couldn't do it in the wall (as in, hidden) so I have flat cables around the door frame and wall corners. I was willing to accept the cables, just to get 10Gb. And, IMHO, it's worth it. | | |
| ▲ | rtkwe 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not sure what we're disagreeing about, I'm not saying it's not a useful thing to have just that most people don't have it and don't intend to have it so it's not a useful spec bump for Valve to spend money on. I'm personally planning on going through the pain to get ethernet run (luckily I have both a basement and an attic so it should be fairly easy) in my house and if I ever build new there will be whatever is the best standard at the time in the walls (and maybe some dark fiber but I'm less sure on that) but I also know I'm a vast minority of users at the same time. I'm also in a pretty big minority having a >1 gig symmetrical pipe into my house to make a 10 gig connection to my devices actually worth while. | | |
| ▲ | tagyro 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I must have misunderstood - I prefer ethernet over wifi and I took your comment as more favourable towards wifi - in that case, my bad ^^ | | |
| ▲ | rtkwe 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | My setup is far from my ideal one so I'm on wifi for a lot of things but I was just pointing out the business reasons they probably went with the 1 gig port, there's just not that many people who are looking for or could take advantage of a 1 gig port. |
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| ▲ | SchemaLoad 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You could probably connect a 10gbit usb adapter to the USB-C port on this thing for this use case. |
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| ▲ | mrguyorama 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The steam controller also revealed has a USB-C, as does Hori's official steam controller. However, you can charge it from things that aren't USB ports. Charging bricks are cheap and most people have one for their phone now, except some unfortunate old iPhone users | | |
| ▲ | rtkwe 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes but the cord it comes with will likely be a C to A cable. A lot of controllers have come with USB-C ports on them now but ship with C to A cables. Microsoft, Sony, 8Bitdo; all controllers I've gotten that have a C port but came with the usb-a for the PC/charger end. |
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| ▲ | viraptor 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What do you expect to do with the steam machine that will take more than a gigabit? I mean, it's cool when things are faster, but if you can saturate the link, downloads are still bottlenecked by the drives. And even 4k streaming is under 100Mbit normally. |
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| ▲ | daveoc64 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can download at approximately 2.5 Gbps from Steam on my PC. I think not having a 2.5 gigabit port at least is a poor choice. | | |
| ▲ | risho 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | there is almost no one who has multigigabit internet and even for people that do, you spend significantly less than 1 percent of your time on that device downloading. its a complete non issue. this device is a midrange at best pc, so having a gigabit connection is exactly where it should be. if you want to have the best of the best build a pc. | | |
| ▲ | fractalcounty 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's an exaggeration. Affordable multi-gigabit fiber is widely available in plenty of metropolitan areas in the US and Europe and mid-range motherboards have included 2.5 GbE for years now and the NICs themselves are dirt cheap. I don't think it's irrational to be disappointed. | | |
| ▲ | shadowpho 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Affordable multi-gigabit fiber is widely available in plenty of metropolitan areas in the US Press X to doubt, isn’t a large part of country under Comcast (aka crappy monopolistic cable)? |
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| ▲ | pseudosavant 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A USB 2.5Gb adapter costs $15 on Amazon. | |
| ▲ | viraptor 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So you can theoretically download an AAA title like the new kingdom come at 84GB in just under 5 minutes instead of 11 min. That's cool and all, but does it actually matter? I mean, with games of those sizes you're going to spend hundreds of hours in the game most likely. It's an extremely first world problem that takes minutes, maybe once a month. | | |
| ▲ | fractalcounty 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's more so the fact that 2.5 GbE NICs are really cheap and already fairly common in consumer devices. And game downloads aren't the only use case, file transfers could benefit from the extra headroom |
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| ▲ | TheCoreh 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Games are super large nowadays. IIRC Steam uses P2P for the update downloads, so you should be able to saturate whatever link you have, and the SSD should be substantially faster than 1Gbps. So anyone that has a > 1Gbps internet connection should benefit from something higher than Gigabit. | |
| ▲ | ericd 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How are downloads bottlenecked by drives? A normal nvme drive does >20 gbit. | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > And even 4k streaming is under 100Mbit normally Are you talking "4k streaming" as the current streaming providers do it, with trash bitrate, or "4k streaming" as you would do it if you had ripped your own blu-ray disks and you want to stream it from a NAS somewhere else in your house to your living room? | | |
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| ▲ | pseudosavant 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Real question, what would >1 gigabit Ethernet or Thunderbolt do for you in a low/mid-range gaming PC? |
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| ▲ | KeplerBoy 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | With thunderbolt you could connect an egpu. This machine won't age terribly well with it's limited GPU capabilities. |
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| ▲ | 0x457 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most controller/headphone dongles come with USB-A, so 2.0 in the back makes sense. Radio for new steam controller is integrated. I have a Y-splitter for my PS5 controllers and if I didn't, I would have had some sort of controller dock. I assume I would do the same for this. Either way, TV is too far from my couch for a cable, so I wanted to keep playing and charging I'd use a powerbank from my coffee table. Gigabit Ethernet...that's sad, I'd take 2.5G, so I can better stream my legally ripped Blu-rays. I assume most people don't care because they would use Wi-Fi or their switch only goes to 1G. Better than JBL making android TV sound bar with 100mpbs. I think it purposely designed, so you don't try to build a NAS on it. |
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| ▲ | monocasa 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of devices that you commonly plug and unplug like flash drives and passkeys still make sense as USB-A for a lot of people because of the specifics of the USB spec. C to A converters for devices are technically verboten since they would allow an enduser to make a A to A cable, which can fry hosts if you plug them into eachother if they don't support USB OTG. You can lose certification if you try to ship a device with a C to A converter. Because of that, USB-A devices with an optional A to C converter (or neater devices that have both plugs on them natively) are what makes a lot of sense for a lot of people for the kinds of devices that live on a key chain. So it makes sense for that to be the default on the front of a desktop, IMO. |
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| ▲ | JMiao 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the decision of usb2-a at the rear is for wireless keyboard and mouse adapters. Those ones can behave abnormally on usb3-a, plus it’s nice to have those ugly adapters out of sight. |
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| ▲ | terribleperson 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can replace the internal ssd with an off-the-shelf ssd and it also has SD card support, so there should be less need for external SSDs. Gigabit Ethernet is definitely a bummer when I'm close to having fiber all the way to my PC. |
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| ▲ | rtpg 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I suspect most joysticks sold today come with a USB-C to USB-C cable while things can be charged with USB-C cables, the only thing I've ever received A C-to-C cable is... a USB-C wall charger. Granted I haven't gotten a USB-C iPhhone yet and I gotta imagine that one is C-to-C. Generally lots of pack-in cables I've seen in the wild for charging devices continue to be USB-A-to-C. Switch 2 ports are USB-A, PS5 front port is USB-A... we're still getting there. |
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| ▲ | lynnharry 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The console is on the TV side and I usually just charge my controllers on the sofa side. That way I can charge and play at the same time if I want to. |
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| ▲ | MomsAVoxell 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I suspect it'll be like the Mac mini situation, and the after-market USB hubs that fit the form factor will expand rapidly .. |
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| ▲ | 0x457 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would be a case if it had I/O like Mac mini. Like if it had TB3/TB4/USB4 somewhere, it doesn't. |
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| ▲ | extraduder_ire 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Adapting A ports to C is much more convenient than going the other way. I have a whole sack of passive A to C dongles that stick out less than 1cm from the port. |
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| ▲ | dmix 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| most of the usecase is going to be keyboard, mouse, and bluetooth headset dongles. All three of mine attached to my Steam Deck dock are USB-A. although I own a bunch of those usb-a->c attachments you plug on the end, so it wouldnt make much difference |
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| ▲ | vel0city 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > bluetooth headset dongles I imagine this has decent Bluetooth support out of the box even if not mentioned? Its hard to find a WiFi chipset these days that doesn't have some kind of Bluetooth support. Maybe proprietary headset dongles, but if its just bluetooth its probably not needed. | | |
| ▲ | dmix 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Correct, proprietary*. Fancier gaming headsets often come with dongles. |
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| ▲ | ortusdux 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Could it be a synergy with the Steam Frame's dual band wireless dongle? I'm guessing they would really want users to plug that into the front of the device. |
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| ▲ | TiredOfLife 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's an old semi-custom semi-discontinued laptop soc. |