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thadt 14 hours ago

Pretty much the only reason I boot to Windows anymore is to play games with my kids and family. The direction of this thing is dangerously close to being all I'd care about from a desktop computer.

If Valve pivoted into making a well-supported laptop with good hardware that ran Linux and played games...

catears 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Like other commenters, I also recently made the switch. Figured I would dual-boot windows but have never needed to boot it back up again.

ProtonDB is a goldmine when a game doesn't work. Oh, and switching from Nvidia GPU to AMD GPU seems to have worked great to get games to "just work".

agentifysh 12 hours ago | parent [-]

one limitation for Bazzite for instance would be some titles that require anti-cheating won't work but just like OP, only use case I have for windows is gaming and running some banking app which won't work on non-Windows device

love to see more and more users realize they can game just fine on linux

drnick1 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It's time to stop buying such games and send game studios a signal that we won't tolerate rootkits and/or closed platforms. Anti-cheats should run server-side, or better yet, servers should be community-operated. I would probably bought BF6, but since I exclusively use Arch, EA lost a sale -- too bad for them there are thousands of other games that work flawlessly on Linux.

rft 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I want to echo a previous comment of mine on this topic:

With the rise of mainstream-compatible, as in a standard gamer can get them running and use them with a similar frustration level as Win11, Linux first systems like steam deck, steam machine and even steam frame, there is a real, even if currently low, pressure for big publisher to support Linux/SteamOS. I somewhat hope/fear there will be a blessed SteamOS version that supports anticheats enough for publishers like EA, Epic and Riot to accept the risk.

pdimitar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It has been time for long time and I support your stance but the big publishers only speak money. I gather they still have enough customers for their mainstream AAA titles.

But I would like to think that Valve it indirectly putting pressure on them. I too am not far from removing Windows and making the full jump to Linux for my gaming needs.

fleroviumna 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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utopiah 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If Valve pivoted into making a well-supported laptop with good hardware that ran Linux and played games...

SteamDeck is out since February 2022 and does all that. You can use a BT mouse&keyboard, plug a USB-C screen or dongle for HDMI. I did live presentations with that quite a few time. It's just a computer with another form factor.

It's not "dangerously close", it's been there for years now.

Basically only competitive gaming with kernel level anti-cheat are problematic.

ugurcant 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was in the same shoes, then one day I decided to give a shot to Bazzite. To my surprise the installation was extremely smooth, and everything worked right away. Now I’m playing almost everything on it (Arc Raiders, EU V, HLL and Horizon FW recently). If you want to _try_ all you need is 15 minutes, some HDD space and an empty USB. You don’t have to give up Windows at all, dual booting is also pretty smooth.

SparkBomb 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Gaming on Linux is hit and miss, depending on the distro you use and your desktop environment. Some games should be launched with gamescope if you are using Gnome/GDM

To have HellDivers run in borderless window on Debian 14. It required me to manually compile gamescope (wasn't that difficult but Valve's instructions are out of date), and use the backports on Trixie to upgrade the kernel to 6.16, and update wireplumber and pipewire (sound was flakey on some games). Kernel 6.16 performs much better than 6.12 just generally.

All the Arkham games work perfectly. Doom Eternal has some weird latency in the mouse and aiming doesn't feel right.

I could never get my Xbox One bluetooth controller behaving with Linux. I ended buying a 8bitdo Xbox style controller which works perfectly. It is much better made than the Xbox controller and roughly the same price.

LooseMarmoset 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A few games I've tried required a little fiddling to work correctly. Some of these, like Dark Souls, required me to get a Windows patcher to run in linux to patch a windows binary, which required me to launch the patcher from Proton in Steam, and know where Steam installed the game. Not straightforward at all, but it can be done. I would not call it an experience for the average Windows gamer.

Some of the latest shooters, will get you banned because anti-cheat.

That said, there's nothing in my library (180 games!) that doesn't run in Linux, and I have a number of games that you can't even get to run in Windows at all anymore.

I think the gaming community should all send Gabe Newell a Valentines Day card, or maybe a Christmas gift, or something. Seriously, the man has done so much for gaming, think of where we'd be without him. Windows App Store, Sony Game Store, walled gardens...

terribleperson 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So to be fair about Helldivers, it doesn't even reliably work on Windows.

I have to install a two year old AMD driver to get Helldivers to recognize my GPU.

SparkBomb 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I've had zero issues on Windows. None at all. I have a AMD GPU.

Linux issues have been poor performance generally. Once I installed kernel 6.16 that was fixed.

crowbahr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's why the correct choice is Bazzite

SparkBomb 7 hours ago | parent [-]

No the correct choice is what I want to use and it is Debian. Distro-hopping doesn't fix your problems and you will end up with either the same issues or more issues by distro-hopping.

I use my Linux machine for things other than games and I am not moving to "distro of the week" to run one game.

tapoxi 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's fair but Debian is shipping you multi year old packages when you want the latest drivers and mesa for games.

Bazzite has those, and you can just jump into a Debian Distrobox for development.

LooseMarmoset 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Usually Debian testing will get you where you need to go with Steam and gaming. The stable branch won't git r dun for you usually.

gpderetta 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a bazzite box connected behind my TV. Even with a non optimal choice of graphic card (an old Nvidia) it works better than I was expecting.

Whinner 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I also bit the bullet and did a bazzite install and am blown away how seamless it has been for what I need. All the games I like run on Steam. Even Diablo 4 runs through the Blizzard launcher which does take some work to get installed, but nothing you can't find in a youtube video.

No issues using the system as my daily driver for personal things. I have dual monitors, one oriented vertically and one 144hz. All works great! I'd recommend it to anyone

aryonoco 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The whole Universal Blue image ecosystem is so polished, consistent and coherent. Bazzite is their gaming image variant, I’ve also recently switched to Bluefin which is their Gnome variant on my workstation and everything works so nicely together, it’s the most joy I’ve had using a computer in a long time.

barbazoo 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Loved the concept, tried it out, didn't work, at least not for RDR2 which I was trying to play. But how would it work, there is Linux, Bazzite, then there is Steam, RDR2 needs the Rockstar launcher, it's such an intricate web of dependencies, I'm not surprised something isn't working.

computerex 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

RDR2 has a gold rating: https://www.protondb.com/app/1174180

It should work with some tinkering.

amlib 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When silly DRM or a game launcher is all that is keeping you from enjoying a game, that is when you get the pirated version without any of this bs and enjoy it without remorse.

lbschenkel 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have finished RDR2 on Bazzite (story mode), zero issues.

agoodusername63 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I apologize that nobody responding to you is understanding the point here that the last thing Linux gaming is, is consistent.

Wojtkie 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RDR2 works great on my AMD Linux machine.

ZeWaka 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Worked fine for me on a Deck.

nicolaslem 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to also have a dedicated Windows machine just for gaming, but two years ago I formatted the Windows drive and put SteamOS (via ChimeraOS) instead. I can legitimately say that it has been more stable than running the same games on Windows. Just flawless.

nxpnsv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I recently got a tiny and mighty GPD win mini. I booted windows once to shrink the data partition and installed Bazzite Linux. Painless install, never even considered booting in win again, and so far all games I tried worked flawlessly. I know there are issues with anti-cheat, but I usually don't even like those games..

seanalltogether 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same, if they also released something like a Steam Machine Pro with more ram+vram and bit higher specs I would instantly purchase it. Nvidia and AMD have been rightly criticized for releasing 8GB video cards in the past year and valve shouldn't be immune to that criticism.

rft 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Would be great of Valve to just drop a Steam Machine Max++ with an AMD Ryzen AI 395 and 128GB unified memory. I know this is not going to happen, but SteamOS should boot fine on that SoC, so you can DIY a Steam Machine that also runs LLMs (albeit a bit slow) :).

gavinsyancey 7 hours ago | parent [-]

It sounds like you want to install Bazzite on a Framework Desktop.

quasigod 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just wondering, what games are you playing that dont run on Linux yet? I can't think of games I'd play much with family that dont work well

neura 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I do not believe that _you_ are trolling with this question, but answering this is just asking to be trolled.

That said. Fortnite. Yes, I still play it with friends and cannot play it on Mac or Linux. :(

I'm sure others have similar examples. Also there are just simple things like playing with friends and streaming on Discord. Anybody streaming from Windows always comes across smooth and HD to the other participants while anybody on Linux seems to consistently be received (I don't know where exactly in the chain the problem exists, so just "received", as it may not be a broadcasting or encoding problem, I'm not an expert in this) with a lot of artifacts and lower framerates.

andai 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A friend of mine, a Linux user, says he installed Windows for gaming. Apparently the main issue isn't actual compatibility for games, but that a lot of games require some kind of kernel level anticheat (rootkit?).

tapland 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s a few games, but a few very important ones.

GTAVs online ecosystem with custom servers. Rust hasn’t enabled Linux Battleye support. Valorant

Some releases that are temporarily popular like BF6, playtest of Battleye games where Linux support isn’t enabled (Fellowship, Exoborne). All games in this paragraph also by Swedish developers. Kom igen, linuxstöd

mindcrash 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some intrusive ones (EA's anti cheat for recent Battlefields, Activision's anti cheat for Call of Duty, anything from Riot to name a few) do not work.

However, EAC - who is a major player in this field producing generic solutions - does support Linux. The involved publisher, however, needs to approve this and the developer need to turn on a feature flag. That's it.

However, some publishers simply deny this for... totally mental reasons ...and this means that the game is marked as borked in protondb even though the game could as easily be played on Linux thanks to EAC's Linux support.

belthesar 11 hours ago | parent [-]

"EAC supports Linux, but devs just won't turn it on" is the clickbait answer, but the details are more nuanced. EAC has multiple security levels that a title can set based on the threat model of the game, and most games with heavy MTX that use EAC shy away from it, largely because Fortnite doesn't do it. EAC is owned by Epic, and if Tim Sweeney says that you can't do MTX on Linux safely, then any AAA live services game with in-game MTX is going to shy away from it, regardless of how true the statement actually is.

Cloudef 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are only safe if you run Tim's rootkit :)

mindcrash 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Finals has mtx, is protected by EAC, and is playable on Steam Deck.

Throne and Liberty, which is also protected by EAC and has mtx, is also playable on Steam Deck.

So this is bullshit and it clearly shows it's the publisher's choice. What Sweeney thinks has nothing to do with it.

agoodusername63 6 hours ago | parent [-]

no it shows those guys are willing to take the risk and learn the water is fine.

most aren't

duskwuff 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"MTX" as in, microtransactions?

What do microtransactions have to do with anticheat?

tempest_ 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You don't want someone having a skin that you are charging money for among other things.

sitzkrieg 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

granting clientside without paying, things like that

cheald 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, this is broadly true. Just about everything that does not have Linux-disabling anticheat runs wonderfully on Linux these days. You can check https://protondb.com/ to see how any given game runs.

rtkwe 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep anticheats are one of the big hurdles to 'porting' a lot of online focused shooters to linux. It's an unfortunate situation but I get it from the company's perspective, not having any anticheat leads to shitty situations for way more players than not having a linux version of their anticheat and a vast majority of players have Windows devices or are willing to dual boot.

seabrookmx 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. Valorant and Battlefield 6, for example.

nickstinemates 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Escape from Tarkov is the only reason I have a Windows Hard drive still. It doesn't have anything else on it.

froggit 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

EFT has a pretty ridiculous history with attempts at anticheat. Several years ago they set up their servers to kick anyone with virtualization enabled because cheaters had been using VMs to intercept network traffic (the network traffic wasn't encrypted for tarkov then). The response from cheaters was to use a seperate bare metal build to intercept the traffic. The devs "fixed" it right before windows 11 came out with virtualization on by default.

bigyabai 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

FWIW, PvE and modded Tarkov does actually run fine on Linux (Streets map doesn't, nor does Arena).

It's definitely not the same, but between Arc Raiders and PvE I get my extraction shooter fix. Online Tarkov is mostly populated by Gaming Wizards™ anyways.

nickstinemates 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes I am playing Arc Raiders now instead of Tarkov because switching is not worth it. Until it will be!

grepex 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is true. Battlefield 6 is in this boat

inexcf 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes and they could just make it(the rootkits) work on linux. It's more about the publishers/devs actively opposing linux.

jsheard 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The major anti-cheats do support Linux, but it's opt-in on the dev side because they're significantly easier to bypass than the Windows versions. It's not even close, getting around the Linux ACs is child's play. It sucks but nobody really has a good solution yet.

rtkwe 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Alternatively it's still a pretty small slice of the market that's not willing to dual boot for the major games that do require windows only anticheats so it's just not worth their dev and support time to try to serve that small slice. Valve's work on Steam Machines/Decks is the thing needed to actually push developers to supporting it by providing a relatively consistent target OS and a large enough install base to justify spending the money to support.

quasigod 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I dont think I'm getting trolled, I know that loads of games still dont work. I just wanted to get an idea of which games are the current biggest ones holding people back.

thadt 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fortnite & Call of Duty

If I could travel back in time and prevent my kids and nephews from ever learning about Fortnite, I might do it. Instead I'm out here trying to keep from getting sniped by a Simpson character.

Fortunately, it seems like the rest of the family is getting tired of COD's ceaseless churn, and might be willing to pick up something else.

haunter 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fortnite is a fun game though, it's the only game holding me back from fully switching to Linux. Cloud streaming just doesn't cut it, latency is way too high (+ more money for a single game)

quasigod 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah I had kinda forgotten Fortnite exists haha. I think I assumed your kids were younger.

OGWhales 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For me it's only games the specifically don't support Linux, which are mostly competitive multiplayer games with anti-cheat software. Apex Legends used to work great on Linux, but they removed support as an attempt to combat cheaters (there are still tons of cheaters).

AndroidKitKat 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In addition to what others have said, a group of friends still plays enough League of Legends that I don't both dual booting. Also if you play RuneScape (RS3, not OSRS) the best 3rd party add-on, Alt1 Toolkit, only works on Windows.

andoando 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

BF6 and any multiplayer EA games with anticheat

OGWhales 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Apex is an EA game and actually ran great on Linux until they removed support. Unfortunate, but they said it was necessary to combat cheaters though that claim is somewhat dubious since cheaters is perfectly viable on Windows still.

seviu 12 hours ago | parent [-]

FIFA is another one that comes to mind, or however they call it these days.

Also from EA

dmoy 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For me the thing that pushed me to reinstall windows after I got a cheap $10 copy was Kerbal Space Program. Though, in my specific case I strongly suspect it was older hardware & driver issues than anything else, since I've not had any major problems on steam deck.

I do have more random crashes on certain games even on steam deck, but not as bad as Kerbal Space Program on my old (12 yr) desktop.

Factorio seems to work better on Linux. Which is both good and bad (since it's so addictive).

barbazoo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trying to get RDR2 to work on Linux, so far no luck.

delduca 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I play it on Linux, try Proton hotfix.

remuskaos 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've played it on the Steamdeck without issue.

SirMaster 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Battlefield, Call of Duty, Apex Legends, PUBG, Rainbow 6 Siege, Fortnite

Basically all the games I play regularly with my friends.

2OEH8eoCRo0 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Battlefield 6, GTA V online, Escape From Tarkov, likely GTA VI

Imagine not supporting the latest releases that all your friends are playing.

Ferret7446 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Depends on your friend group; statistically speaking they're more like to play ARC raiders than EFT which does run on Linux

quasigod 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Zero of my friends are playing any of these games. GTA VI will probably do the console first release thing anyways.

Edit: Fair enough to the other ones though. This comment wasnt meant to be inflammatory or argumentative, but clearly someone else believed it was.

embedding-shape 12 hours ago | parent [-]

What's the point of arguing like this? You're asking for experiences from people, then when people give you proper answers it glides off with "well no one I know plays those anyways". Isn't the discussion larger than your personal and private experiences, if you're discussing in public like this?

You seemed to have some initial claim that "all games actually work perfectly fine, prove me wrong" but then you don't seem to actually want to engage faithfully anyways.

navigate8310 12 hours ago | parent [-]

They think HN is Reddit, notorious with its flaming war

Whinner 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Steam Box 2 will be out before GTA VI

InvertedRhodium 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Microsoft Flight Simulator

theshrike79 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This promises 4k 60fps gaming and Valve is good with hardware, so this is an immediate buy from me if it's under 1000€

No need to mess around building a gaming PC anymore.

phdelightful 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s <= a Radeon 7600 GPU (28 CUs RDNA3 vs 32), so I’m not sure I’d have advertised it as a 4k60 machine. Then again I’m not a marketer so what do I know. 4k60 is a flexible target with FSR I suppose.

brailsafe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> This promises 4k 60fps gaming and Valve is good with hardware, so this is an immediate buy from me if it's under 1000€

Does it promise that? It seems like the hardware might do it, didn't see that anywhere

baby 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the limit last time was anything competitive or multiplayer that required a weird launcher or some low-level permissions or something. I just want to play CS2 and hunt showdown.

kulahan 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Extremely hard pass on a laptop. They already have the steam deck, and now they have this. Whether you want it portable or not, there are options. Laptops always end up being just... so disappointing.

com2kid 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've been using Pop_OS, buggy as hell but steam games work great!

Everything is kinda a dumpster fire, but they nailed steam games.

quasigod 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pop_OS is pretty rough. Theyre running on a super outdated base while working on COSMIC

com2kid 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The pop shop app being single threaded is just embarrassing. Do a search, the entire UI freezes up until the search is complete.

Also updates regularly break my KDE session and I have to restart my display server.

Sometimes I have to switch to a tty and back to my graphical console to get my display back.

It is a mess all around.

I haven't managed to get my GPU working in Docker, ugh.

That said, it does work. Mostly.

marcianx 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed about POP Shop being slow. I recently learned that they were working on its replacement: "COSMIC store" (written in Rust + Iced), and it's super-fast. You can try it with `sudo apt install cosmic-store`.

bprew 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The 24.04 beta is really stable and the new cosmic DE is great! I've got it on my desktop and laptop, no problems.

System76.com/pop/pop-beta