The only thing I'd like to know, if the CPU/GPU will be replaceable? The specs say "Semi-custom AMD Zen 4" and "Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3", but I don't see "soldered" anywhere, so I guess maybe they'll be switchable? If not with off-the-shelves components, maybe Valve will offer their own upgrade kits in the future?

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cflewis 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

RDNA 3 is going to hold this machine back. DLSS is far and away better, but Nvidia's apathy towards Linux has made playing on something like Bazzite a worse experience. Nvidia has little reason to keep investing in Windows gaming drivers given the AI race, so seeing DLSS 4 or something on Linux is a pipe dream.

I think this machine will be decent for most people, but it's no-one with a 3080 is going to be looking at this and thinking "this is worth it", as it's probably coming in at about $750. The question is whether it'll have power parity with whatever the next Xbox is.

	▲	keyringlight 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Unless AMD/Valve pull a rabbit out of a hat it'll also be missing FSR4 which needs RDNA4, and is AMD's pretty-damn-close catch up to DLSS.
	▲	ZekeSulastin 10 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I thought DLSS4 did work on Linux, and a quick glance at r/linux_gaming seems to say the same. I agree about RDNA3 holding it back; given its specs I’m hoping its significantly cheaper than $750.

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opencl 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given the memory configuration it seems extremely unlikely that it's socketed. It's certainly not AM5.

	▲	embedding-shape 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You mean "16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM" or something else? I took it just as they didn't want to put VRAM next to the GPU for some reason, rather than them actually being linked somehow. Maybe I misunderstand.

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haunter 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Soldered, not upgradable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ&t=591s

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embedding-shape 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Shame, but makes sense. Thanks for finding it out for us!

You happen to know if the same is true for the RAM? Video seems to mention soldered CPU and GPU only, I skimmed the video but didn't see it mentioned.

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robotnikman 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm seeing conflicting info on the RAM. Some are saying its soldered, others are saying its replaceable.

	▲	amlib 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It might be because the gpu ram is soldered but the cpu ram is replaceable?

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hnuser123456 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty much all (non-Apple) computers in this form factor have a soldered CPU and GPU (and of course soldered VRAM), and slots for DIMMs and M.2.

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bangaladore 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Unless you made a typo here-- Apple's equivalent to this is Mac Mini, which has soldered CPU, GPU and RAM (and also the SSD as its not soldered, but it's not standard).

	▲	hnuser123456 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, that was my point, Mac Mini solders components that are not soldered on most other computers of that form factor, but a socketed CPU or GPU would be extremely unusual.

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zorked 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't see "soldered" anywhere, so I guess maybe they'll be switchable

Unfortunately that's quite a logical jump...

	▲	embedding-shape 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, I mean my comment is all speculation, guesses and opinions. Given the limited information, some jumping is required, if at least in order to ask questions :)

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butlike 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, honestly, do you ask the same question about a PS5/Xbox? At a certain point, just build an upgradable PC. I'd equate this product more to a home console than a PC at this point

	▲	embedding-shape 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I do not, my expectations are also way lower for Sony and especially Windows (still, happy PS5 owner here). I already have a PC, thanks for asking! Steam specifically pitches this as a console+PC so I thought asking clarifying questions about the PC part of the product made sense.