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thechao a day ago

A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act; specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in State persons.

armada651 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?

mystraline a day ago | parent [-]

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lurk2 20 hours ago | parent [-]

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esseph 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Laws and morality often conflict.

The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide.

Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.

lurk2 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

This is how Osama Bin Laden justified 9/11. To be clear, virtually all of those being deported do not have a legal right to reside in the United States. The number who are deported erroneously measures in the tens, not the hundreds, but even if it were in the tens of thousands, that would not morally justify the extrajudicial killings of law enforcement personnel unless you could somehow demonstrate that these deportations were part of a concerted effort to murder people.

> Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide.

The deportation of foreign nationals residing in the United States illegally is not even remotely comparable to what is happening in Gaza.

esseph 18 hours ago | parent [-]

You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles.

"Remotely comparable" or not, I was discussing the disconnect between legal and moral.

lurk2 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles.

No, I understood you clearly as you said “outside the United States.” My point was that American military adventurism still wouldn’t justify terrorism. I then went on to describe how the majority of deportees have plainly violated the law, and that even if some proportion of deportees had their rights violated during the deportation process, it would not justify the extrajudicial killing of law enforcement officers.

> I was discussing the disconnect between legal and moral.

What the great grandparent comment was advocating for is battering and / or murdering law enforcement officials on the basis that he doesn’t think foreign nationals should be bound by American immigration law.

mystraline 9 hours ago | parent [-]

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lurk2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You need psychiatric help.

xdennis 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

When has military action every used due process?

If you don't agree that the military should be used against suspected narco-terorrists, then say that.

But they kill about 70000 Americans a year just with Fentanyl overdoses. I don't think killing 70 narco-terrorists (so far) is much of an escalation.

hypeatei 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> suspected narco-terorrists

Ooooh scary, Venezuelans on flimsy boats transporting cocaine (not fentanyl) are terrorizing the US government... how exactly? I don't believe small fishing boats coming from Venezuela are the root of the fentanyl crisis.

If you're an ardent supporter of this administration no matter what they do, then say that. Your usage of "narco-terrorist" and saying they (who is they?) kill 70k Americans/year shows me that you're heavily bought into the official government narrative which is quite something.

lurk2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Your usage of "narco-terrorist"

It’s an accurate description of what these organizations are. Latin American history is basically a story of central governments trying to control these crime syndicates, failing, and then descending into civil war as landowners and urban elites figure the more practical solution is to just massacre all of them. This is true of Colombia, Brazil, El Salvador, and half a dozen other countries. Venezuela attracts the attention that it does because the government is effectively part of the syndicate. [0] Mexico is like this too but has either established backroom deals with the feds to avoid scrutiny or is considered too risky to intervene in.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcosobrinos_affair

mindslight 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or they were suggesting patriotic Americans organize to defend our Constitution and the rule of law from this anarcho-tyranny of paramilitary gangs enabled by a treasonous executive. You know, the exact thing a vocal contingent of second amendment enthusiasts used to champion before they got sick with a level of social media psychosis previously reserved for geriatrics consuming hours upon hours of Fox "news".

For example, Dear Leader's leadership in response to the anti-2nd-amendment murder of Breonna Taylor should have been a wakeup call for how much this New York con artist has you steeped in anti-American Kool-aid. Instead the situation mostly just demonstrated to everyone else how fascists' appeals to individual liberty have been wholly dishonest.

georgemcbay a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unfortunately the Bivens act was already heavily neutered well before this current trainwreck of a Supreme Court we have now was fully assembled (saving them the trouble of having to neuter it themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fktQUIkf6o0

tedivm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Until the supreme court overturns that.

tanjtanjtanj a day ago | parent | next [-]

They already did, more or less.

The supreme court ruled that unless your case is virtually a carbon-copy of an existing Bivens case then it doesn't count. The current supreme court does not respect precedent in any meaningful way.

thechao 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bivens act, not case. The act modifies the statutes. It's been read but not voted on.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/334...