| ▲ | arjie 8 hours ago |
| I love that there are people who will go into this much detail on stuff. It's really cool that they do. But the whole thing is that if you follow some sequence of steps, powder will clean as well as or better than pods for a third the cost. All right, this isn't a significant portion of my expenses so I'll pay the 3x cost since my dishes come out clean anyway. I wish the description of the video was like an abstract. |
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| ▲ | magicalhippo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > But the whole thing is that if you follow some sequence of steps, powder will clean as well as or better than pods for a third the cost. YMMV. Based on the earlier videos, I did switch back to powder, and I did follow the steps of putting some powder in the main compartment for the pre-wash. And i did try several powders. Yet, none of the powders were anywhere near as good as the tablet we use. It also doesn't contain any nasty chemicals, unlike several of the powders[1]. So we went back to our tablets. It might cost slightly more, but hardly a significant expense by any stretch. Now, there might be some powders that work better which aren't available here in Norway. But I gotta work with what I got. [1]: https://www.forbrukerradet.no/siste-nytt/test-av-oppvaskmidd... |
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| ▲ | graemep 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Powders should perform better for the reasons explained - that was the reason he prefers powder, not the cost. The problem is that the powder in the pods is better than the loose powder. The solution might be to put powder in the pre-wash tray and a pod in the dispenser. Or you could cut the pods and split the powder between the prewash and the dispenser. | |
| ▲ | adamors an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | He demonstrates this in the video as well. Powder/tablet from the same company performed differently, the powder seems to be deliberately underpowered. |
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| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's more to the video than just that. For example: you should run your hot water tap before turning on your dishwasher, and you should experiment with the dishwasher settings, because they can make a big difference. |
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| ▲ | bakje 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Running the hot water tap beforehand assumes that the dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water in the first place, which isn’t common everywhere. Where I live this feature is called hot fill, I believe, and a lot of dishwashers don’t even support it. For those that do support its still generally not recommended to use it since the dishwasher now can’t do any rinsing with cold water, which is not only wasteful but I’ve heard the hot water can damage the water softener in your dishwasher. But if you do hook it up to hot water (which is a lot more common in the US, I think) this makes a lot of sense. | | |
| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | And lo, there is verily even more information presented in the video than this thread has yet revealed. For what Alec says in the video is that this purge-the-cold-water advice is specific to North America, and he even explains the reasons why! | | |
| ▲ | bakje 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Haha I have to admit I didn’t watch the whole video. In which case my comment still stands for those who also haven’t watched the whole video, which is probably a fair amount of people | |
| ▲ | krige 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | He does mention it has to do with voltage and heating systems. I think it's something he covered on his kettle vid. | | |
| ▲ | inferiorhuman an hour ago | parent [-] | | He mentioned that it's not due to voltage but rather low current circuits. A 15 amp circuit translates to around 1,800 watts in the US and if you derate it to 80% of that like the NEC requires a continuous load you'd have around 1,440 watts available. His argument is that appliance manufacturers are trying to simplify their lineup by making models that would work in homes without a dedicated circuit (15 or 20 amp). Although I can't think of a better argument that still doesn't quite sound right to me. The NEC has required dedicated circuits for dishwashers for quite a while now and IIRC that requirement has been for a 20 amp circuit for a few decades. Even though you typically only see 15 amp receptacles, kitchens have required 20 amp circuits for somewhere north of forty years. I think a lot of his video is simply based on testing with crappy Whirlpool and AEG dishwashers. There's a reason why Bosch (and these days LG) dishwashers are pretty much universally recommended. | | |
| ▲ | Turskarama an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's the same issue, if you have a higher voltage then you can get more power without increasing current. For example in Australia a standard house circuit is 10 Amps, but because it's at 240V we can get 2400 Watts (realistically more like 2300) out of a _standard_ wall outlet that is in every room of your house. | | |
| ▲ | inferiorhuman an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's not the same issue. The vast majority of kitchens in the US have 20 amp circuits (so 2,400 watts peak, 1,920 watts continuous) exclusively. It's a bog standard receptacle (NEMA 5-20R instead of 5-15R) that's backwards compatible with 15 amp plugs. In fact these days most 5-15R receptacles have identical guts to their 20 amp counterparts save for the additional provision for a horizontal blade. The electrical code (NEC) has started moving towards requiring 20 amp circuits in other rooms and more 20 amp circuits in kitchens. |
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| ▲ | vasco 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The whole point of getting a dishwasher is to not think about any of this though, for me. | | |
| ▲ | db48x 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That probably just means you’re using your machine badly. |
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| ▲ | brewdad 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think one of his earlier videos suggested doing what I have always done. Load the dishwasher then do the hand washing. This ensures you have hot water ready to go since you’ve already been actively using it. When hand washing is done, run the dishwasher. |
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| ▲ | redundantly 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My kids would routinely put in too much powder, which would gunk up the dispensing mechanism, requiring my time and effort to clean it out and fix it. Eventually the dispenser broke entirely and had to be replaced. We since switched to pods and haven't had any problems with the dispenser. The pods are worth every extra cent. |
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| ▲ | jkern 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He says that having the ability to tailor the amount of powder for the size of the load is one of the selling points of powder. But I'm guessing most people would much rather waste the few cents of savings in exchange for not needing to think about their dishes even that tiny bit extra. | |
| ▲ | bombcar 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just want a dishwasher and washing machine that I can load with gallons of soap once a month or whatever, and let it do the detail work for me. I know they exist in the commercial realm, but I'm not 100% certain the wife is ready for a Hobart machine in the kitchen ... | | |
| ▲ | koiueo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've used a washing machine like this.
For the feature to be useful, it has to be correctly implemented. Unfortunately, all r&d budget apparently, goes into developing vendor's mobile application and wifi connectivity, not on basic mechanics inside. | |
| ▲ | shalmanese 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Miele has home dishwashers that do this now. But like all things consumer, it's a proprietary system that's designed to keep you locked into a subscription relationship with the company. | | |
| ▲ | amluto 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have one of these. The detergent gizmo is a hard plastic shell with an interesting shape, powdered detergent inside, and a plastic film cover that looks like it’s heat-sealed on. It contains no electronics whatsoever. You can refill it, and the only limitation is that it’s kind of awkward to open, fill, and re-seal. The easiest way IMO is to cut a large flap in the hard plastic on the sides, then tape it down after refilling. It works fine. Also, the Miele powdered detergent, in my personal opinion, sucks. And it leaves some residue behind. Yuck. | |
| ▲ | edb_123 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True for their dishwashers. But to their credit, Miele's washing machines actually come with two additional cassettes that you can fill with your (liquid) detergent of choice. You don't have to use Miele's proprietary ones. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | PowerDisk? As long as you load salt and rinse aid, it works like a charm. As you said, if you want to save a bit of money, you can 3D print a replacement. But they last long enough that I don’t mind the cost. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My Samsung bespoke combo washer dryer has that feature. It uses less detergent than we are used to so my wife uses pods, but I think this is better un general since the clothes come out clean even if they don’t smell like detergent. So not only do I not need to load detergent, I don’t need to transfer to the dryer. Still have to load sanitizer in unfortunately. | | |
| ▲ | dustbunny an hour ago | parent [-] | | I heard the dryer in those is slow and breakable. Does it take forever to dry stuff? | | |
| ▲ | derekbreden an hour ago | parent [-] | | In the few months I’ve had the Samsung All-in-One my experience has been at least a 50% increase in time spent drying compared to an LG stack I had previously. Also, when complete, if you do get to it within 5 to 10 minutes of finishing, it feels damp, but that clears on its own after 15 to 30 minutes or so if it sitting in the dryer with the door automatically opened. Very pleased with the experience personally. I am very happy to trade not having to transfer the laundry in the middle with it simply being done when I get back to it a few hours later. YMMV. |
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| ▲ | tstrimple an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was almost tempted into buying an all-in-one unit that washes and dries. Only a few brands are releasing these heat-pump based models currently and it doesn't seem quite ready for mainstream release. But the LG model I found did have the ability to preload it with detergent and run up to 60 cycles before filling again. I almost bought it just for that feature. But went with the older more reliable model instead. Maybe in 10 years after this washing machine dies the feature will be more prevalent and reliable. https://www.lg.com/us/washcombo-all-in-one I think long term, having two "all-in-one" combo washer and driers would make way more sense than separate washing and drying units. But the price for functionality just isn't there yet. | | |
| ▲ | inferiorhuman an hour ago | parent [-] | | Both the LG and GE heat pump all-in-one units come with auto detergent dispensers. For the life of me I can't imagine wanting one more thing to break, especially on an LG product as LG is notoriously poor with parts availability. |
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| ▲ | ThePowerOfFuet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://www.mieleusa.com/c/powerdisk-automatic-dishwasher-de... | |
| ▲ | vel0city 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I had that on a GE Profile from I think 1999 if I remember right. It was pretty nice. I think it's still a feature on some of them. That dishwasher was great and lasted over 20 years. The previous owners had definitely abused it and never cleaned it. I repaired it and had about the best dishwasher for a few more years. Eventually the main logic board went out (can't blame it too much, had electrical issues that killed a few things) and a replacement board was going to cost a few hundred dollars in parts even from questionable third party sellers. Seemed to be a good bit to sink on what was a highly abused >20 year old washing machine at the time. | | |
| ▲ | teepo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | as someone who's gone down the rabbit hole of dishwasher home repair, I've created more problems than I've solved. I agree that maintenance is important, but when you get into replacing the seals and gaskets that can result in water flooding into your kitchen, i decided recently to draw a line. I'm now the proud owner of some fancy leak detection / moisture detection IOS products as a result. (and yes I'm aware there are better, low tech solutions like the "frog" on the market, but I chose to torture myself instead) | | |
| ▲ | edoceo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Put a drop of food colour on a paper towel. Let dry. Then leave that where drips might happen. The colour will run. I leave it for a few days after every plumbing repair. |
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| ▲ | tguvot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | miele dishwashers as mentioned below. LG washing machines. And I think Miele washing machines as well |
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| ▲ | yumraj 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My process is to use cheap Walmart powder for prewash and Kirkland pods in the dispenser. Avoids any over filling issues. I used to just use the Kirkland pods and they worked fine too. The reason I started using powder in prewash is to get any loose fat dissolved so that it doesn’t clog over a period of time, not sure if that’s a valid concern. And yes, I do run hot water before starting the dishwasher. | |
| ▲ | kurttheviking 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My issue is the pods fail to dissolve ~5% of the time and leave a gunk that clogs the dispenser which again requires time and effort to clean. I'm convinced by the video to try powder again but I've had the filming issue with almost every powder I've tried. So, we'll see what happens... | | |
| ▲ | hackama 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm convinced pods broke my dishwasher. I switched to powder years ago and haven't had a problem since. |
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| ▲ | Mistletoe 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it not possible to teach your children to put the proper amount of detergent? |
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| ▲ | slackpad 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's interesting - YouTube does show AI summaries now - here's the one for this video: This video explores dishwasher detergent, focusing on a new powder formulation. The creator details the science behind effective dishwashing, including pre-wash cycles and water temperature. Independent testing results comparing the new powder to leading pods are revealed. I've noticed that they all seem to not give away too much so you still have to watch the video to get the conclusion. It makes sense why they do this for creators, but I do agree it would be awesome to just read the conclusion on many of these. |
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| ▲ | vasco 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I've noticed that they all seem to not give away too much so you still have to watch the video to get the conclusion. It makes sense why they do this for creators Oh summer child, they do that because they'd serve less ads. | |
| ▲ | foxglacier 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Videos are for fun. Nobody needs to know the conclusion in isolation. If you wanted a stream of boring facts, there could be a service for that, which nobody would use. |
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| ▲ | altairprime 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| While I’m sure dismissing the video is easy for someone with a dishwasher that already works fine with pods, having worked through all four(?) of those dishwasher videos, I have finally made an enzymatic powder work after months of effort when pods did not help. Heavy Duty + Hot Wash doesn’t usually work. Doesn’t finish washing. Heavy Duty + Sani Rinse doesn’t usually work. Weird residue issues for entire top rack. Heavy Duty + Hot + Sani doesn’t work. Both of the above issues at once! But, as it turns out — Normal + Hot + Sani does work, perfectly, repeatedly. The takeaway from the latest video for me is that the options aren’t Boolean on/off flags for different cycle-specific parameters, the cheap U.S. rental dishwasher comprehensively alters the entire program based on which total set of options are selected in non-intuitive ways. So I have to use Normal not Heavy, Hot Wash and Sani-Rinse, or my wash cycle doesn’t wash properly. Which is absurd and obnoxious, but TIL, and suddenly I’ve had two consecutive loads of dishes come out clean for the first time in a year of trying. No, the pods didn’t work either, as it turns out my dishwasher doesn’t reach the “enzymatic cleaning” temperatures off my rental’s barely-120F water using Hot Wash alone. No, the filter isn’t dirty. Yes, it drains fine. Yes, I’ve run cleaning cycles with several cleaning powders. Yes, run the tap to hot. Etc etc. TLDR for the entire video: If your dishwasher isn’t cleaning fully, even if you use maximum powder or pods or cleaning it, make sure you’ve tried counterintuitive combinations with Light/Normal instead of Heavy, or Sani Rinse to improve the wash cycle, etc. Ruling out unlikely combos because they seem illogical may prevent you from finding a working set. (And if you’re using a powder formulated by anyone who sells colorful dishwasher pods, it’s probably designed to be less effective than the powder in their pods.) |
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| ▲ | bitslayer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >I wish the description of the video was like an abstract. Business opportunity something something AI |
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