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bronlund 18 hours ago

This is just stupid. All modern vehicles har been fully remote controllable for years.

IAmBroom 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

100% false.

For obvious reasons, non-CBTC trains are not remotely controllable (CBTC essentially means "remotely driven"). It's all or nothing; either a safety system that inherently accepts the risk, or no way to remotely control the speed, short of fully stopping the train.

If modern cars have been fully remotely controllable for years, why can't police stop often-deadly car chases?

Ditto on air traffic control and small planes; many don't even have in-plane automatic pilots. AFAIK no ultralights ever do.

Most boats are not remotely controllable; even the large container ship that recently damaged a major US bridge didn't.

potato3732842 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>If modern cars have been fully remotely controllable for years, why can't police stop often-deadly car chases?

They want to retain the power of discretionary action. If the powers that be employed their 1984 stuff all the time over trivial things people wouldn't support them. Part of this means they don't give the beat cops those toys.

Also, there's a difference between "can be" and "are". Like there's god knows how many numbers of compatibility layers and intermediary systems I bet even if the capability exists it's broken more often than it's not. Diverse software systems take a ton of constant work to maintain.

During the "last years of XP" era you probably could have theoretically taken down half the world's industry on paper but if you tried to do so at scale without literal years of prep and testing you'd have been foiled by the 50% of machines where you payload just didn't work for some obscure reason.

bronlund 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the internet has all the information and you are on the internet, why don't you know this already?

IAmBroom 16 hours ago | parent [-]

What on Earth are you rambling about now?

cosmicgadget 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you help me find the mechanism that remotely engages the clutch on my truck?

RansomStark 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I fully agree. If these were buses from any other country, this would not be an issue.

Every road vehicle sold today has a sim card, most for diagnostics, some for remote control.

Tor3 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The tests done on the buses showed that they can be stopped as well as otherwise controlled remotely from China. This is way more than diagnostics, and remote control is _not_ something which is common in road vehicles.

int_19h 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

International politics does matter. So, yes, a country that is historically hostile, or allied with countries that are hostile, towards yours, gets different treatment.

IAmBroom 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Having "a sim card" is less than saying your car "has an on-board computer". In no way does that imply remote control.

Even you admit that most of them aren't for remote control, so what are you agreeing with?

mixologist 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Remote control is just one over the air update away.

alephnerd 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The issue was the eSIMs identified were not disclosed by Yutong, which clearly falls afoul of procurement and cybersecurity regulations.

bronlund 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I wasn't aware of that, thanks. But still, if you go buy a car right now, I doubt they are going to make it a sales pitch that you are not the only one who can control your car.

amarant 17 hours ago | parent [-]

This is why we invented the fine print.

Not putting this information in the fine print is fraudulent behaviour

bluGill 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are limits to what can be put into the fine print as well. We probably need to revisit though rules, but you can't get away with anything just by putting it in the fine print.

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bronlund 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It was most likely in the specs from the beginning. You can't have busses roaming around with no way to turn them off remotely.

Tor3 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"You can't have busses roaming around with no way to turn them off remotely."

Hm? Not a single bus on the road in my city can be turned off remotely. There's never been one ever, since bus transport started. So why should, no, must, that be a feature of new buses?

mixologist 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why do you think that they can't be turned off remotely? They all have over the air updates. Just push the update the bricks the bus.

donkers 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m pretty sure turning off the bus is something the bus driver can do. It’s not like buses were wildly roaming around before cellular networks were invented…

secondcoming 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, those wild buses on the loose have been a major problem

wafflemaker 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Kinda explains why nothing is being done in Poland about hunters accidently killing lots of people, mistaking them for boars. If you crack down on hunters, you can't have them control the population of wild buses.

asplake 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can't you? And who should have that power? I believe that this is the concern.

IAmBroom 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What? That's the way it's always been.

Do you imagine some benevolent authority sits in your town with a finger on the kill switch for every vehicle in motion?

If it were in the specs from the beginning, there would be no issue. This isn't a "click here to accept" thing; multiple people scan the technical data in these projects.

drykjdryj 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Better than a bus that are blown up if it goes under 50 mph.