| >Yeah... Laws exist only if they are applied equally, else they become something else. This is bullshit and you know it. No one would ever want to go to the trouble, expense, and misery of enforcing laws where the so-called victims do not feel wronged and refuse to press complaints to the authorities. And so, copyright enforcement will only ever occur where the rightsholders wish to enforce it. The few lawsuits you see here and there aren't about genuine sentiment of being wrong, but of the rightsholders wanting their cuts. Backroom deals are already being drawn up, and everyone's cool with it. This is the status quo. If you don't like it, suggest something better, but don't be naive that the law as it stands now could be applied sanely or pragmatically. |
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| ▲ | saghm 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | So if someone goes and pirates something on their own time on a whim, it's a criminal issue, but if 100 people correctively pirate a few orders of magnitude more stuff because their boss's boss's boss's boss told everyone to, it's just a licensing issue? Here's my suggestion: either throw out all the convictions that have ever occurred for software piracy and allow them to sue for reparations, or charge the people that are making those backroom deals for extortion and obstruction of justice. Either it should be a crime for everyone or no one; being rich enough to bribe your way out of it isn't just, and it's preposterous to claim otherwise. | |
| ▲ | mihaic 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry, but what you just said is bullshit, and I'm not even sure you know it. Plenty of copyright holders don't want their creations to be trained on LLMs, regardless of cut. There is no voice for them. The general statement of laws being applied differently by size is also more and more obvious in the recent climate. | | |
| ▲ | NoMoreNicksLeft 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The big copyright cartels are the only copyright holders out there. The people you refer to think they hold copyright on some work or another, but unless another plebe infringes on them, they'll never get a remedy for that. You think I'm wrong, but if you wrote a song (for instance) and some jackass restaurant was playing it as muzak, ASCAP takes the license money for that. They don't send you a cut. I'd say you have second class rights, but you don't even really have those. | |
| ▲ | terminalshort 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | flumpcakes 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Then the AI training companies shouldn't have stolen (pirated) the material they want to train on. Pretty simple really. | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That has nothing to do with AI. It's just the same as if anyone else had pirated it. Pretty simple really. | | |
| ▲ | flumpcakes 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Show me the Facebook employees going to jail for pirating millions of books. Can I pirate anything I want risk free if I say it was for training AI? | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Piracy is a civil offense so of course they aren't going to jail because that isn't how civil court works. | | |
| ▲ | elsjaako a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It can be both, there have been people criminally prosecuted for copyright infringement. I will admit that it's not something that I follow daily, so I had to look for an example. But it wasn't hard to find one. https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/055157.P.pdf | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort a day ago | parent [-] | | Criminal piracy is commercial piracy, which not even the people suing AI companies are accusing them of doing. Note the very first line in your court opinion: > After selling 100 "bootleg" DVDs But that's a fair point. I probably should have specified. |
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| ▲ | kakacik a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Seems you keep repeating the same stance all over thread, without a single explanation why your opinion should be a valid one. Not really a fruitful discussion and not a way to change anyone's opinions (maybe apart from the idea that copyright owners push their rather despised agenda via artificial accounts also on HN), care to improve this? | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't have to explain because judges will do it for me: https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/two-california-distr... On summary judgment too, which means the plaintiffs really had no case. Not surprising because it's the most obvious fair use ever under transformative work. So obvious that I have a hard time taking arguments to the contrary seriously and just assume they are driven by bitterness. Not that anything I have ever heard on that side actually rises to the level of an argument. Your opinion, and everyone else on this thread that agrees with you, falls under your own statement: > Seems you keep repeating the same stance all over thread, without a single explanation why your opinion should be a valid one. |
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| ▲ | troupo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | YouTube routinely demonetizes and suspends people for"copyright violations" with no recourse. Including people for using their own material. SciHub is banned and blocked in several countries, there are default rulings against it in the US etc. Oh, and White House called it "one of the most flagrant notorious market sites in the world". But when you're an AI company with billions of dollars? Well, your doing it for the good of humanity or something, and of course everything you do is fair use etc. | |
| ▲ | LtWorf 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What chances do I have of winning a lawsuit against copilot for violating my copyright? See? Laws are not applied equally. | | |
| ▲ | 1gn15 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | None, because they're not violating your copyright. | | |
| ▲ | LtWorf a day ago | parent [-] | | I love how you decided before hearing my case. Thanks for proving my point exactly! |
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| ▲ | terminalshort 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | brazukadev a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah they bought the law, more effective than breaking it and they even get some minions to defend them online | | |
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