Even on Windows they are losing despite the invasive anticheats.

I suspect the answer to cheating will ultimately be big brother and hiding information from the client.

The server should stop sending positions of undetected enemies - this requires rethinking game engines due to the predictions they perform.

The server should log every single action by every single player (full replays) in perpetuity, train models on it to detect outliers, classify some outliers as cheaters and start grouping them all together in lobbies.

Another idea would be to conduct automated experiments on players at random. Such as manifesting "fake" entities behind cover and measure player reactions - of which there should be none. Spawn bots (from the beginning of the game) that a compromised client (cheats) cannot discriminate from players and have them always remain in cover and gauge player behavior relative to them, despawn them if a [presumably real] player is about to detect them.

It all requires work and imagination which is in short supply in the industry. But given how cheaters kill certain types of games maybe someone will eventually do it.

▲

zamalek 4 days ago | parent [-]

> I suspect the answer to cheating will ultimately be big brother and hiding information from the client.

The speed of light makes this _marginally_ problematic to do. It is possible that a unit might move out of the fog of war, or out of cover, during the latency to the client (or between server ticks). You'd effectively have pop-in during some scenarios - but it would be minor and the net benefit would probably make it worth it.

I recall one of the MOBAs adding this during its lifecycle, HoN I think?

▲

ThatPlayer 4 days ago | parent [-]

Riot has a pretty good article about why it is hard: https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-... . Anything more than simple geometry makes server side calculations costly, especially when you're targeting 128 tick/s.

Their settled solution is still not perfect, hence still the need for client-side anti-cheat. The final video clip is definitely done to look effective than it actually is. Those positions are transmitted based on space, not time, and in a real game you'd be moving slower.

Mobas generally have a lower tickrate and simpler vision setups

	▲	coppsilgold 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Looks like they put in some effort. You will get better results by having this type of anticheat baked into the engine from the very beginning and requiring a GPU on the server. What I had in mind is having a primitive physics simulation with point clouds (+ velocity smearing) for entities and geometries for surfaces. You will be able to to do many more checks this way.