| ▲ | buildsjets 4 days ago |
| I sure miss the kind of parties where they have to get an emergency court order to cut power the building at 3am. I learned everything I need to know about throwing parties from Dave Barry. If you throw a party, the worst thing that you can do would be to throw the kind of party where your guests wake up today, and call you to say they had a nice time. Now you'll be be expected to throw another party next year. What you should do is throw the kind of party where your guest wake up several days from now and call their lawyers to find out if they've been indicted for anything. You want your guests to be so anxious to avoid a recurrence of your party that they immediately start planning parties of their own, a year in advance, just to prevent you from having another one. If your party is successful, the police will knock on your door, unless your party is very successful in which case they will lob tear gas through your living room window. As host, your job is to make sure that they don't arrest anybody. Or if they're dead set on arresting someone, your job is to make sure it isn't you. |
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| ▲ | ssl-3 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I had a halloween party once. It had everything: Substance abuse, debauchery, a proper PA system shaking the floor, good lighting, costumes, good people we knew, random other people we'd never met before, a keg of beer, epic bean dip... everything but the police, somehow. Anyway, my boss showed up. I don't know if I invited him or if he just decided to be there on his own. He was having a great time with everything, and then he went into the back where some folks were enjoying the not-booze. It was at this point that I lost track of him. His jacket was still there. His motorcycle was still parked on the front sidewalk. But he was nowhere to be found, and his phone went straight to voicemail. It was like he'd simply vanished. "Fuck," I thought to myself. "I've only had this job for a few months." It turns out that he'd walked home, a couple of miles away. He woke up the next morning sitting at the picnic table in his back yard, shirtless, in the rain. After that, I always made sure that I invited him to my other parties -- and he always made sure to decline, and tell me that he was never doing anything like that ever again. I consider this to be a win. |
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| ▲ | hshdhdhehd 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Fuck. You lot have lives! | | | |
| ▲ | 1659447091 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > everything but the police, somehow. I learned you gotta have a “that guy” around and you get police showing up at some point almost 100%. Once upon a time, during my time in sales, some of the permanent sale guys would throw parties at their shared place (near a University campus) that attracted lots of people no one knew and got pretty rowdy. It would be mostly fine, sometimes a pair of cops showed up & left without incident -- until later in the night/morning after this one shady sales guy 20+ years our senior, who could sell sand in the Sahara but failed at life, became “that guy”. Not usually violent (unless his buddys were trying to stop him running into traffic etc), typically property damage related; he would mix a lot of alcohol with a lot if other substances by late in the party basically becoming the guaranteed way to clear people out. Also pretty sure the holding cells were his second address. Anyway, when you went into talking about the boss I thought he might be “that guy” but he declined. | | |
| ▲ | pimeys 4 days ago | parent [-] | | If you ever played a game called Party House, which is a deck builder that "teaches" you how to organize parties. It's one of many absolutely fantastic games in the UFO50 collection: https://ufo50.miraheze.org/wiki/Party_House It teaches you that if you have too many of "that guys" in the mix, the police will come. The fix is to invite a few hippies and the problem is solved by itself. |
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| ▲ | ibejoeb 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Were the parties every the same, or did he bring the wild? | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd like to write about the party where my friend showed up with no clothes at all (neither on him, nor with him) aside from t set of Playboy Bunny ears on top of his head, but I'm out of time for storytelling right now. Perhaps another day. | | |
| ▲ | crm9125 4 days ago | parent [-] | | "neither on him, nor with him" This is definitely jointly directed by Rogen and Tarantino and I will be watching all 3 hours of it. | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 4 days ago | parent [-] | | That's a fine working title, but I really thing it's going to wind up being called "Jacob's Ladder". |
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| ▲ | mberning 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Awesome story. Thanks for sharing. |
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| ▲ | drmpeg 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I worked at LSI Logic in the 2000's, there were a lot of young Europeans (mostly Italian) on the staff. They had rented a house in Palo Alto which was affectionately called "The Pleasure Lounge". It was just one of those houses that had the awesome party vibe. The only rule was that if you had to puke, you had to go in the back yard and do it in front of the Mother of Mary statue. The best part was if you made it to 4 am, the Italians would break out the spaghetti, cook a big pot of it and serve it with just olive oil (no tomato sauce). Sitting around the kitchen table wicked hammered eating plain spaghetti is the correct way to end a party. |
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| ▲ | lynx97 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Even when plain sober, I consider aglio e olio the best spaghetti there is. | |
| ▲ | ashanoko 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At least no https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speibecken ? | |
| ▲ | unnouinceput 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Spaghetti without tomato sauce? That's like pissing in the morning without farting. Sure, it'll get the main job done but it's not the same pure pleasure. | | |
| ▲ | hexbin010 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Cacio e Pepe, carbonara, spaghetti aglio e olio, spaghetti al vongole, white ragù There's a whole world out there! Tomato sauces can be acidic, so not great when drunk. Also tomatoes stain (if it were to come back up) ! | | |
| ▲ | pcl 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Fwiw, you can neutralize tomato sauce with a little bit of baking soda. Start with a pinch, stir, wait thirty seconds, and taste to see if you need more. | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agreed that spaghetti sauce doesn't have to be tomato based. Just olive oil doesn't cut it, though - you need more than that. | | |
| ▲ | mrighele 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | My guess is that the pasta mentioned above is spaghetti "aglio olio e peperoncino" (garlic, olive oil, red pepper), so not just olive oil. Could be the recipe with the highest ratio taste/effort you can find, something that even a drunk student can pull off a 4 in the morning, so they probably just continued their tradition from the university years | |
| ▲ | Arch-TK 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It was most likely garlic and olive oil (and salt and pasta water). | |
| ▲ | andreareina 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Buttered noodles are good, I have no a priori reason that simple oil wouldn't be also. | | |
| ▲ | louistsi 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Butter emulsifies into a sauce just from the residual heat of the spaghetti (and some mechanical action - stirring, pan flip, etc) Oil needs a bit more help, otherwise it's just grease on noodles. The starchy water the pasta was cooked in can do most of the heavy lifting there, but the addition of garlic helps too. |
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| ▲ | 7bit 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why do I immediately think you must be American? Theres plenty of recipes without tomatosauce. | |
| ▲ | bayindirh 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I eat spaghetti completely plain. Pot to plate, directly. | | |
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| ▲ | possibleworlds 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > If your party is successful, the police will knock on your door, unless your party is very successful in which case they will lob tear gas through your living room window. I threw a party (illegal, on the beach, with great music) so successful the police just provided security at the parking lot entrance 1km away because they didn’t want > 400 wasted people roaming the affluent neighbourhood if shut down. Oh there were also nudists at the beach when we were ferrying in our gear at sunset who stayed for the whole thing and ended up on the dancefloor in their birthday suits at 2am. |
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| ▲ | lynx97 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Having a lot of partying people at a place, combined with sensible policemen, is the best recipe for not getting busted. Had that at least twice in my life. Once at a house party with a lot of young, just around the driving age, people. Police showed up, and decided to not bust it, because sending people on the road would be more dangerous then letting things just go on. A few years later, I was at an illegal outdoor tekno party, which also got a visit at 8AM by two policemen. They basically just went up to the DJ and sayed: "We will return at 3PM, and you will be gone." | | |
| ▲ | pimeys 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yep, but it depends. We once organized a party in a soon to be demolished factory building. And exactly that happened, the police decided to let us be because it would've been trouble to have a few hundred ravers in the middle of the city. The second time we were not that lucky, it was a warehouse, and they came with flashlights and kicked us out. | |
| ▲ | fragmede 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Once you really get organized, you pay the police off by hiring off-duty cops to be your security and paying them overly well. |
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| ▲ | zigman1 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | My Finnish gf told me that the police in Finland is so reasonable and human, that often they will stop by just to check in if everyone are safe and well and if anyone needs assistance. She mentioned countless of times she was with her international friends partying, or doing sauna or skinny dipping in the lake, often all the three things in the same night of course, when her friends got nervous when the police stopped by, and she was like "ahh no, don't worry, they just want to check if we are all okay". Police asked if they are all safe, nodded and wished them a nice party. |
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| ▲ | TheAceOfHearts 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Posts like this really make me feel like I'm living in a completely different reality from some people. I can't tell how much of this is exaggerated for comedic value and how much of it is genuine. |
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| ▲ | buildsjets 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd say a different era rather than a different reality. The Dave Barry quote is obviously humor. But back from the late 1980s to the early 2000s, I was genuinely at numerous house parties, basement concerts, and un-permitted raves which where broken up by authorities, including some where the power was cut, (or worse, where the music was cut and lights flipped on full bright) and the cops forced everyone to pile into their cars and drive home, with whatever head full of chemicals they might be taking on the road with them. Poor saucer-eyed kids. Ah, memories, memories. Where is that brain damage they promised us? I'm still involved in a local music scene somewhat. And yeah, there will always be an underground. And yes, some of the underground gets old and had to get up at 7am to pay the mortgage so some of this may be looking back with rozy glasses. But it just seems to get smaller every year. I don't hear bumping bass from the neighborhoods on Saturday night like I used to. | | |
| ▲ | zie 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > I don't hear bumping bass from the neighborhoods on Saturday night like I used to. You obviously just moved neighborhoods :) | | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Where is that brain damage they promised us? How would you know? Sure you would know if you were walking but otherwise braindead, but if you are "5 iq points dumber" (whatever that means) or something like that you wouldn't know since there is no way to know what "might have been" | | |
| ▲ | RealityVoid 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Still worth it. I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but a bit of rowdiness once in a while does good to the soul. Sure. You still need to be careful, but a world without these experices feels a bit bland. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 days ago | parent [-] | | There are a lot of ways to have fun that don't risk brain damage. If you can't imagine them that proves your lack. | | |
| ▲ | RealityVoid 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Would you say lack of imagination is proof of brain damage? | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I know plenty of people who lack imagination who I believe never did drugs (I don't know for sure of course) so I can't call it proof. It is very common for the addicted to ignore obvious signs of their addictions and the downsides thereof so it probably is a sign, but it isn't enough to be proof. (I'm thinking of an alcoholic who "had a bad ice cube" and now won't drink their whisky with ice) | | |
| ▲ | RealityVoid 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Both replies were kind of jokes from my side. Regardless, whether I have or don't have brain damage is... Up for debate. Probably not significant. And I do appreciate my memories of wildness quite fondly. I'm sure other people have other ways of getting their fix for adventure, some more constructive than others. Regardless, we all have different needs and different itches to scratch and I think some people might need a certain amount of risk more than others. And that's fine in my book. |
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| ▲ | Aeolun 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True, but in that case you aren’t really missing anything either right? | | |
| ▲ | vasco 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You're equally fine with how you are now or having 20 to 50 less IQ points? Of course you're missing something, probably the most important thing in the world after rich parents is being smart. | | |
| ▲ | komali2 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If you aren't born smart or with rich parents, the next best thing is to have a big wide network of diverse sorts of people. Sacrificing a couple IQ points is worth it to get it. I'm a nobody from nowhere with an unremarkable brain, but I've made it far in life just chumming it up with way smarter and luckier people than me at the Burn or poly parties or other random shit I get up to. | |
| ▲ | 47282847 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Of course you're missing something, probably the most important thing in the world after rich parents is being smart. I cry a small tear for that limited world view, if it even was meant seriously or just as sarcasm. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | A large portions of "Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs" are an abstraction on wealth. At the bottom: enough food, shelter and clothing - all form of wealth. At Safety - all of forms that wealth can buy. Love And Belonging - this is the least affected, but it is common for couples to break up if wealth is lacking enough (and romantic when they don't) - still I'm not going to count it since if you pass the lower two you have enough wealth. Esteem - wealth is one measure of status, and everything is is a measure of things that lead to wealth in society (though sometimes in obsolete society - hunting is no longer needed to live but being a good hunter is still status). Self-actualization - the more wealth you have the more options you have - and as already established, wealth is required to even get this high. Not everything is about wealth in the above, I skipped them in the discussion but if you are not familiar with the whole you should find and read the whole list because it is insightful what I skipped. Remember money is an abstraction of wealth. It is easy to say I have X dollars (euros), it is harder to say what the picture on my wall is worth but there are a group of people into that type of art that will give that a high value (while others not into it will consider it worthless) as such wealth isn't an exact measure, but it is at the root of a large part of the good life. It is never the important thing itself, but it is behind a lot of important things and so a useful measure. | |
| ▲ | vasco 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe you were just never surrounded by dumb people. The amount of damage they make to their own quality of life is almost unbelievable. I sure as hell think it's the biggest lottery we play with the most impact on the course of our lives. Intelligence and wealth of parents. What you do with that after is up to you, but those two factors will make for the easiest lives. | | |
| ▲ | 47282847 a day ago | parent [-] | | This is not my experience. I know people from different walks of life, some severely mentally disabled (Down syndrome etc) that are the most open and cheerful, to millionaires that are stuck in continuous streams of unhappiness and negativity. Most people one would consider “intelligent“ with university degrees and such I know seem stuck in unhappy relationships and work and negative stress, worried about big and complex topics such as climate change and politics, people one would consider “dumb“ or “plain“ that work as cleaning staff or at supermarkets and such that are fairly happy living their simple lives. They think they are too stupid anyway to understand politics so why even bother with things like that. They’re not chasing personal/career “growth“ and achieving “more“ every day. Those with money can afford luxury goods but it doesn’t seem to make them feel more content that some that get the leftover foods from foodsharing networks. And yes, maybe a factor are things like fairly functional universal healthcare in this country, in terms of basic needs and security. I know homeless people and also they seem generally happier than, say, the doctors I know. A few cans of beer a day and not-shittiest weather are totally sufficient to make them enjoy the day. They have no bosses that they need to report to, no alarm clocks, no calendar. I may not want to trade places with the “dumb“ or “poor“ but I don’t use my own judgment of their lives to determine if they are okay, I let them speak their own. Yes, I see them make decisions that I consider to be at least suboptimal given their situation, but that is my problem, not theirs. The homeless/unemployed I know have a strong support network, meet up every day with maybe a dozen equals, very simple interactions, nobody intelligent enough to majorly fuck the other over. And why, if there’s nothing to gain from that. Their problems are simple, day to day, nothing too complex. The millionaires I know have to deal with highly “intelligent“ manipulative people every day, and deal with all sorts of complex bullshit, which understandably can be very exhausting, especially if there is no end in sight. It will go on like that for the rest of their lives. And on top of that unfortunately they are intelligent enough to see that. |
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| ▲ | piva00 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At no point in the thread it was said 20-50 fewer IQ points though, that comes out of your own fabrication. | |
| ▲ | fragmede 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In your list of important things, you missed sleep. | |
| ▲ | zimza 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Taking IQ seriously is the most "low IQ" thing | | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 4 days ago | parent [-] | | IQ as a precise, cross-comparable measure? Sure. As a conceptual shorthand to describe the concept of intelligence? No. | | |
| ▲ | zimza 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The previous comments were talking of IQ in a quantitative way ("x points less"), so they fit in the first definition. Even the second definition is not really a thing. Intelligence as a concept doesn't mean much and needs to be defined properly. Using it this way is just another way to divide people superficially. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I started the thread with '"5 iq points dumber" (whatever that means)'. I intended that to be read something like "as if there was an objective measure of intelligence that scaled like iq'. I cannot say what other intended, but at least some people are reading this whole thread in that context and I would expect you to as well even if others didn't intend that. (that is "respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." - hopefully this helps you see context better) | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > talking of IQ in a quantitative way ("x points less") I read that as a within a single individual, case A (no brain damage from cause C) vs case B (with brain damage from cause C), where using it as a shorthand for intelligence differences within a single individual makes it a useful shorthand for most readers, IMO. |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do think some people will notice mental decline to a point - I'm nearing 40 and am nowhere near as sharp as I think I once was, for example. But would you be aware if you never had a period in your life where you did feel sharp? | | |
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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's one of my greatest fears to see the Gonzo going out from the world. Whether or not it's the truth, this post captures a value-system that used to be strongly coded into the world, a domain of part truth part bullshit, but all yes forward excitement that the in the know smart exciting people were in for in abundance, accepting the tongue in cheek along side the sheer raw ambition to outdo the meager reality about us. | |
| ▲ | B-Con 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Dave Barry is a humor writer. I've followed him for 20 years and this is absolutely his style of writing, perhaps even paraphrased from one of his pieces. Hats off to OP if this is their original writing, it nails his style. | | |
| ▲ | the_af 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | My introduction to Dave Barry was Slackware Linux and the fortune cookie program, which greeted me with random quotes, often some humorous remark by Dave Barry. Because of this, I both like him and associate him with my early nerdiness. | |
| ▲ | chris_wot 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dave Barry caused me to write the original Exploding Whale article on Wikipedia. I got the first oddball barnstar, which was made just for me. I’m now banned. | | |
| ▲ | B-Con a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is the kind of minor celebrity Internet encounter that delights my day but is impossible to explain to anyone else. :-D | |
| ▲ | failingforward 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is, if not the best, likely the most concise history of Wikipedia I have ever read. |
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| ▲ | evilduck 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's written comedically but you mostly live a different life. | | |
| ▲ | johnnyanmac 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Generational divide too. I grew up watching stuff like Project X, and then meanwhile it just seems like Gen Z can barely gather together for anything anymore. Let alone a rager. |
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| ▲ | gosub100 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its from an author who mainly wrote newspaper columns in the 90s. It's his style of tongue-in-cheek humor, and it's aged about 3 decades. I won't say "hasn't aged well", but just "aged". | | |
| ▲ | xxr 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Great assessment of Dave Barry | |
| ▲ | the_af 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It has definitely aged, but I'd say it has aged a lot better than, say, Scott Adams' humor. |
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| ▲ | bandrami 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the 90s I was stationed at Anacostia Naval Air Station and would drive in to the base every morning through the warehouse district (it's now the stadium the Nationals play in). At 04:30 most of the raves would be letting out and bleary saucer-eyed teenagers would stagger into the streets of Southwest DC to start walking to their suburban homes. | |
| ▲ | zhivota 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Both honestly. For the guy who wrote it, it was comedy. But people do live like this. It just doesn't usually end all that well for them. | | |
| ▲ | henry2023 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I’d say is not different to having a hobby. If you spend so much time on any hobby such that you neglect your work or your family then yeah it’ll lead to trouble. | | |
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| ▲ | IanCal 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some comedy, for some this is the view of a party. I know people for whom a night out isn’t a night out unless they struggle to remember anything and the quality is measured by how awful they feel the following day. It’s not for me, but they can enjoy it how they like. If I want to feel bad, not remember anything but have a good story, I’ll read a book then run face first into a wall. | |
| ▲ | mylifeandtimes 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Kids don't follow" by the Replacements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGxINyXiVgQ Describes many a Minneapolis party in the early 80s. | |
| ▲ | AmbroseBierce 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think that making people doubt about it like you just did it's intentionally a bit of the comedic value. |
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| ▲ | smallerize 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Dave Barry: The Greatest (Party) Generation" https://archive.ph/Uyrys |
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| ▲ | madaxe_again 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 3am? This implies that the party is in a rush to be over by morning. No no, the trick is to just keep the party going. Indefinitely. A good party will have several police callouts over the course of several weeks. You will need to recarpet your home afterwards, but the takings from the roulette and poker tables will cover it. You will make friends, lose friends, and people will thank you for it in 20 years, never mind the next morning. I think my longest party stretched to about five weeks - of course people came and went, and having a core of unemployed/student insomniacs to keep it going through the wee hours of Tuesdays helped (for many saved themselves for Wednesdays, which had a particular focus on gambling) - and in the end it only ended because some wag decided to list the party on google maps, and I only narrowly squirmed my way out of charges over running an illegal casino. Anyway. Parties should not be single night or day affairs, in my view. |
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| ▲ | tgv 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dave Barry is a great source of accurate information, e.g. on how to buy gifts for Christmas. This column [1] includes vital information about parking at a mall, children, etc. A must read for the upcoming season. [1] https://davebarry.com/misccol/christmas.htm |
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| ▲ | vishnugupta 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Haha this seems to be a great success of a party then! https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/bengaluru-news/police-... |
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| ▲ | ghssds 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If it turns out cops won't come, you can always call them yourself to make sure your party is a success. |
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| ▲ | brightball 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | We threw a few big parties at my apartment in Clemson around 2001. Never had the cops called, but it’s mainly because we let all of our neighbors know in advance and asked them to let us know if there was a problem. I will never forget the nice 70 year old lady who lived in the apartment above us. She said, “If it gets too loud, I’ll just turn my hearing aid off.” | |
| ▲ | cindyllm 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | latentsea 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you this guy? https://youtu.be/7WPZyzeK7IE?si=QUXm5Fg48Wuq-wtr |
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| ▲ | luqtas 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| guess you should be adding some elements of this book [0] when it goes on how to throw parties! [0] Letitia Baldrige's Complete Guide to Executive Manners |
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| ▲ | niteshpant 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can confirm about police lol Once we had police knock on our door for playing music too loud at 10 PM on a weekend - f'ck Boston NIMBYs |
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| ▲ | eurekin 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, there's one neat hack about the police. Turns out a lot of them like a good party too. |
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| ▲ | circlefavshape 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I was at a rooftop party in Dublin once, and when the cops showed up to shut it down the band started playing "I fought the law" and one of the cops jumped in behind the drumkit and played along |
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| ▲ | BeFlatXIII 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You're making me nostalgic for college. |
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| ▲ | hsuduebc2 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Love the sentiment. |