That is sort of like saying all visual art projects want to become "the million dollar / pixel homepage" so providing an empty canvas and full color palete will just enable people to create visual sewage because nothing stops them from doing so.

I never programmed in a team, so my experience of programming is probably very different from yours. You probably want something like electric cattle fencing (if I borrow your juicy language) for your team, but if I program for my self I just want an open field of Rye I can explore :)

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foofoo12 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By all means, go full avant-garde. I have nothing against experimental stuff like this. The "throw it at the wall an see what sticks" idea.

According to my own experience, it's entirely possible to write a rancid spaghetti carbonara all by yourself. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it (it's a heck of a learning experience) or it should be banned or prevented or anything. But if the language comes with a tin of e. coli, at least list the side effects.

	▲	middayc an hour ago \| parent [-]
		What exactly would be the e. coli here? I mean this is not the first dynamic, homoiconic, reflective language. Which one of these os something I didn't list is the obvious negative or e. coli as you call it?

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diegoperini 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That analogy may not be suitable for this case because value proposition between the aesthetics vs the function is different for visual art projects compared to software. There is also the maintainability factor where most aged software (especially the closed source ones in private sector) change maintainers every few years. Old maintainers most often lose access to the source code and become unreachable after leaving their job.

	▲	middayc an hour ago \| parent [-]
		True, there is the "old maintainer" aspect, that differs. But what exactly does this mean in relation that what are special forms in other languages are function calls in Rye? Is the problem that you somebody could make their own control-structure-like functions? All these function calls have exactly the same evaluation rules, which is not something you can say about "special forms" in "normal" languages because special forms are exactly rules that break the regular evaluation rules. Rye already has a lot of control-structure-like functions in it's standard library and many other functions that accept blocks of code and aren't related to control-structures. Yes, a "stupid" person can write "stupid" code in Rye, but you don't need much flexibility in any language to write stupid code. I fully admit there are languages that are more suited for teams, and languages that are more suited for solo developers, for this reason. That was also my point mentioning "million pixel website" because that "art" is directionless and crowdsourced and a painter can use the same pixels or even more flexible options to create beautiful images.