| ▲ | znpy a day ago |
| > ICE are stagnant. They retain their value because they're not improving at all. They aren't degrading either, though |
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| ▲ | theothertimcook a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| They are definitely degrading. Complex driver aid/“safety” systems, outrageously complicated “infotainment” systems that are also used to interact with system functions, sealed/un-serviceable transmissions, exhaust gas filtration and recirculating systems, these are all additional points of failure that represent a degradation on modern ICE cars. These cars won’t be around 20 years after manufacture in the same way Toyota Camry and Corolla are. |
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| ▲ | jlarocco a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Those complaints are really orthogonal to the EV vs ICE debate, though. Somebody could claim driver aids and infotainment EVs are "degrading" in EVs in the exact same way - in fact they're even more integrated in EVs. And although EVs don't have the same transmissions and exhaust gas systems, they have their own unique complexities and points of failure, like batteries and regenerative braking systems. | | |
| ▲ | theothertimcook a day ago | parent [-] | | 100% all of the advantages of bulletproof electronic motor are smashed by reliance on finicky little software systems |
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| ▲ | Consultant32452 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I recently bought a fancy muscle car with all that crap integrated into the infotainment system. I explained to the sales guy that I WANTED to keep this car for the rest of my life but was concerned that wouldn't be possible. In 10 years it may literally be impossible to find a phone that will connect via the USB/bluetooth to the infotainment system. We may all be using something completely different. Not to mention, no one will be manufacturing replacements for that infotainment system if it ever craps out. You can go buy a 50 year old muscle car and upgrade the radio to something kind of modern. But that won't be possible with my car 50 years from now. It's too integrated. The sales guy had clearly never considered this issue before. | | |
| ▲ | jacobgkau a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It seems like he didn't need to consider it, since you bought it anyway. | |
| ▲ | rlpb a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The sales guy had clearly never considered this issue before. This seems to happen far too often. I've come to the conclusion that salespeople pretend this is the case on purpose, since it benefits them for you to believe that you're the exception. | |
| ▲ | jlarocco a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder how long it will be before the first EVs get bricked because the manufacturer doesn't want to ship software updates to the old hardware any more. If it can happen to a $1500 phone or a $5k computer, I'm sure it will happen to a $20k car eventually. | | |
| ▲ | theothertimcook a day ago | parent [-] | | I think it’s already happened with some teslas banned from charging stations and being gimped after sale for whatever reason. Apparently a bunch of jeeps got bricked by a pop software update. |
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| ▲ | theothertimcook a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depending on how mainstream and popular it is, china may come to the rescue. They’ve made some really cool drop in replacements for oem systems. | |
| ▲ | gautamcgoel a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which car + how do you like it? | | |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well they are, it’s a common complaint about modern cars. https://roadwarriornews.com/autoenshittification-allows-car-... |
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| ▲ | rasz a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 10 years is when you really should do a heavy refresh in the engine bay. Stem the tide of oil leaks, replace perished rubber hoses, tuneup (plugs & leads) because lets be honest you never replaced those unless one was obviously broken, fix exhaust leaks, pray cat is not dead and you didnt luck out on a model with factory defects like for example Ford EcoBoost wet belt disintegrating into rubber debris in oil pickup ($10K job). Tons of brands went for lower tension piston rings in the name of ecology and gas mileage, GM EcoTec, Stellantis Tigershark, even Toyotas end up burning oil like crazy and need full engine rebuilds/new engines. Obligatory they stopped making them like they used to :) 10 years is a very dangerous age for a used car right now. ICE cars are practically falling apart between service windows when compared to EV. |
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| ▲ | Amezarak a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is not normal. I have a 10 year old budget ICE car and nothing is wrong with it. When I change the oil every 10k miles, the same amount I put in still comes out. It has about 240k. | | |
| ▲ | rasz a day ago | parent [-] | | This is the new normal, you just got lucky. For example someone in the comments mentioned his 03 Pontiac Vibe GT - he also got super lucky. Non GT Vibes were powered by factory defective 1ZZFE. |
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| ▲ | echelon a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | My ICE SUV has nearly 200,000 miles on it and is worth almost the exact same as when I bought it ten years ago. FJ Cruisers are popular. There's no way I'm buying an EV. I can't charge it where I live, it won't easily refuel where I'm going, and I hate infotainment centers over knobs and buttons. If I do buy a new car - and I really don't have to - it'll be an ICE without an annoying screen in the middle console. | | |
| ▲ | rasz a day ago | parent [-] | | Lucky you got the quirky FJ instead of more rational Tacoma, Tundra or Sequoia with their disintegrating frames. | | |
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