| ▲ | tiahura 7 hours ago |
| A little more surveillance might have prevented Oct 7. |
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| ▲ | n1b0m 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| A lack of surveillance wasn’t the problem. It was not believing the intelligence. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/israeli-milita... |
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| ▲ | mrits 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Such a Monday quarterback's perspective. There is always plenty of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack | | |
| ▲ | yamazakiwi 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The amount of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack on specific places at specific times is contextual and not comparably equal. Every time I hear or read that expression, I stop taking the comment seriously because it attempts to shut down dialogue with a cute, esoteric phrase instead of fostering a discussion about a serious retrospective. |
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| ▲ | nemomarx 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not moving troops and police away from the border might have prevented Oct 7th. I think they were more focused on the West Bank at the time. |
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| ▲ | emsign 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or following up the reports of suspicious behavior in Gaza by your own IDF border troops days before the terror attack. |
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| ▲ | fph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ah, yes, the classic argument: we must ramp up surveillance because it is the only way to stop pedophiles, terrorists, and pirates. |
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| ▲ | buyucu 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | vFunct 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | tiahura 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I really don't care. I'm just pointing out that surveillance often means thing get nipped in the bud instead of festering and blowing up. |
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| ▲ | michens 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | vovavili 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What a foolish and unsubstantiated claim. | |
| ▲ | zeroonetwothree 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | this site is going downhill quickly if we’re moving into conspiracy theories like this | |
| ▲ | HappyPanacea 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no evidence whatsoever that was false flag attack. I didn't expect such blatant conspiracy theories on HN. | | |
| ▲ | nsriv 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-ma... | | |
| ▲ | Braxton1980 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This isn't evidence of a false flag attack. If I don't change the oil in my car because I'm lazy then my motor seizes I didn't "purposefully destroy my own car" | |
| ▲ | HappyPanacea 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | These two link are not "government from staging a provocation". | |
| ▲ | dismalaf 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, Netanyahu thought that pulling out of Gaza completely, giving them money and allowing them to hold jobs in Israel would improve their economic standing enough to make them docile enough to not attack. He was obviously wrong. And preferring them to the PLO in the wake of the second intifada was reasonable. All Palestinian groups claim to want to kill all Jews, but at that point in time the PLO had actually done it for decades. For the record, the PLO still has the pay-to-slay program... | | |
| ▲ | n1b0m 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Netanyahu preferred Hamas to the PLO in order to guarantee that no unified Palestinian movement might arise. The way to do that, according to Netanyahu, was to strengthen the Islamist Hamas in Gaza at the expense of its rival, the Fatah-dominated PLO in the West Bank. “Anyone who wants to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas,” said Netanyahu at a Likud party meeting in 2019. “This is part of our strategy, to divide the Palestinians between those in Gaza and those in Judea and Samaria.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/the-netanyahu-... | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Israel, despite its PR, never actually took its foot off Gaza conpletely, continuing regular unprovoked cross-border killings of civilians within Gaza, among other means of exercising control and preventing economic development and activity (though for preventing economic activity specifically, other means were more significant, mainly the intermittent blockade before 2007 and the full blockade from 2007 on.) | | |
| ▲ | dismalaf 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > unprovoked Your bias is showing... "Unprovoked", except the regular rocket attacks and other acts of terrorism. Israel actually put up with a lot, way more than any other country would, because they had the Iron Dome. |
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| ▲ | ARandomerDude 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A little humility would be in order here. "I am not aware of this" is quite different than "there is no evidence whatsoever." The latter comment implies you are aware of the reporting and issues and have carefully weighed them. This is something that has been discussed in major Israeli media publications. | | |
| ▲ | HappyPanacea 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > A little humility would be in order here. You couldn't know (but you could have guessed) this but as an Israeli I'm well aware what appeared in major Israeli media publications and this didn't. | | |
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| ▲ | NooneAtAll3 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | it's not false flag attack to know everything about preparation to the attack and then moving all protections away to let it happen it's straight up worse |
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