When I worked at a company that made some networking equipment SNMP was a constant problem, security, bugs that crash the device and so on.

It became clear to me over time that the pattern at that company was to direct the less great engineering resources to SNMP...

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hylaride 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

SNMP is one of those good ideas in theory, bad ideas in practice.

Anyways, Cisco hasn’t done great engineering pretty much since the dotcom bust. They’re now essentially a giant PE firm that grows through acquisitions and then milks them dry. It’s a classic case of the accountants took over.

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rubymancer 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Cisco employee here, this is spot on.

I was at a startup they acquired ~4 years ago, by now it's just about milked completely dry.

Even though our product is close to industry-leading, they laid off our product manager, then another one, the QA team, and half of the devs. Unsurprisingly the product is falling apart.

It's not a company that attempts to produce value, as with so many others the product is the stock price.

The MBAs are showing some kind of savings on a spreadsheet somewhere though, so I suppose all the sacrifices are worth it.

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downrightmike 2 days ago | parent [-]

That's what MBAs did to Intel too

	▲	neuroelectron 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		American tech sector is being destroyed so it can be replaced by _____ and their surveillance state. It's death by a thousand cuts, labor supply, education, taxes, regulation, finance, dependencies, versioning, operating systems, etc. all are being made obfuscated, complex and frustrating to slow advancement and ultimately unstable and impossible to maintain. Most of our tech stack already has surveillance built in and that is already being co-opted and we're well on our way of having it outsourced to a foreign state.
	▲	iwontberude 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		and couldn't even get the stock to be worth anything

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FuriouslyAdrift 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cisco's old model (which worked very well for them) was to develop an outside startup and see if they gain traction while keeping at least some financial/control stake to democratize the risk and spend and then spin-in if it is succesful (or sell off).

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Our_Benefactors 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I interviewed with Cisco once. They wanted me to do a take home interview. Implement an api, make a web app, host the GitHub repo somewhere, host the web app so it was publicly available for them to test, make sure I included full documentation and test suite. A fully tested and deployed full stack application, from scratch, as a “take home test”. I said “no, I don't work for free”.

That was by far the most egregious example I’ve encountered of “we are trying to get unpaid labor from our interview process.”

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chuckadams 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's reasonable if one's applying as a full-stack developer, the app is something like a simple TODO list that isn't anything they'd actually use, and there isn't a high expectation of polish. Few hours of work at most, not days, and definitely not a first-interview thing. Expecting you to host it yourself is definitely unreasonable: they can build and run it themselves if they care that much, but eyeballing the source ought to be good enough in most cases.

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		It's only ok if they pay you for your time.
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FuriouslyAdrift 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, that's ridiculous. It's not just FAANGs that pull this crap.

	▲	lawlessone 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		FAANGS often start it and then everyone else thinks it's going to make their company great if they do it too.

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stuff4ben 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah good ole MPLS (Mario, Prem, Luca, and I can't remember who was S)...

	▲	lima 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Soni

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themafia 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like something an equity or financial firm should do. I'm not sure why a networking company decided to make that their core competency.

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MangoToupe 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Selfishly, I'm happy and grateful they bought out chez scheme, opened it up, and funded development. Do I understand why? No, and I'm not going to question it!

EDIT: it seems like it was an acquihire of Dybvig and the team working on chez for something under NDA.

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FuriouslyAdrift 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

SNMP v3 at least has some security in mind, but a lot of devices are just v1 or v2c which are basically unsecured. Allowing ANY write access via SNMP is a bad idea in my opinion, unless you segment it out into it's own secured management or out-of-band network. Even then... I'd be worried.

Network infrastructure security has a lot of unsolved gotchas and not a lot of industry desire to fix. Most of what everyone interacts with is in an abstracted or virtualized layer on top of the old plumbing.

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elevation 2 days ago | parent [-]

SNMP v2c is still common in the embedded world because it's protected with a simple password so it just works out of the box. SNMPv3 requires key management and an established PKI, and there's no equivalent of Let's Encrypt for isolated use cases in small orgs.

	▲	ay 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		SNMPv3 absolutely doesn’t require PKI nor key management, it works fine with shared keys. You can take a look at an implementation of that, which I had built for entertainment: https://github.com/ayourtch/oside/blob/main/examples/snmpwal...
	▲	mkipper 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I never looked into the guts of how this was implemented, but I worked on a product which had an SNMPv3 agent that was only restricted by a username and password. I could flash a PC with a fresh Ubuntu image, apt install Net-SNMP and start sending SNMPv3 requests without every futzing with any keys. If I remember right, handling SNMPv3 traps required some messy key stuff so the agent still sent SNMPv2 traps, but there was no requirement for keys for GET/SET.

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