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beckthompson 14 hours ago

Its sad but I think at this point its kind of a safety issue not to use an ad blocker. Those results are not clearly ads and I've clicked on fake links in the past when they were.

merlinnn a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

Plus when you click on one, they show you more! So the risk snowballs

miladyincontrol 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It absolutely is. I fear for the older generations and less tech minded people who google their bank, and get some random phishing site. Or similarly google what should be libre software and get some random malware on a site that looks 'close enough'.

Lets call it what it is, a cancer, one that literally enables countless bad actors and purely for a search engine's own profit. In theory theres a time and place for ads, but maliciously inline and disguised as the actual results people want arent it.

aniforprez 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Happened to my father who got routed through ads on his phone while booking flight tickets to some seedy website. He regretted it but thankfully got refunds initiated successfully because of issues with the flights themselves and a lot of back-and-forth. He resolved to only do critical monetary operations on his laptop where I've installed any and every possible adblocker.

The web is so hostile to the inform and the old. It takes one moment of weakness and there's someone ready and waiting with a scam.

rchaud 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's already happened to an elderly family member who was trying to troubleshoot a printer problem. The top results were 1-800 hotlines run by scammers looking to get remote access to their machine to "fix" the issue. Google has hordes of these companies padding their pockets and won't lift a finger to remove them.

smcin 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Searching for official manufacturer manuals/user guides for appliances is also another goldmine for third-parties.

nottorp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

But they deserve it when the manufacturer has one of those enterprisey sites where you need to go through 10 searches to maybe reach your manual, when the 3rd party site just shows it directly.

smcin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really, and the third-party sites almost never show the PDF directly without first trying to harvest your email or phone number or subscribe you to spam, sometimes they try to steer you towards unaffiliated 800 numbers tricking you that those are associated with the manufacturer, sometimes they bundle the download of manufacturer's PDF with malware, browser cleaner app installers etc.

Sometimes the third-party sites are helpful and benign, sometimes they are merely spammers trying to upsell you, occasionally they are malicious.

Agreed, the manufacturer site behavior is also annoying.

squigz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As my parents get older, I worry more about this.

Are there any good, easy-to-understand resources for spotting and avoiding phishing scams and such things for non-tech audiences?

tokioyoyo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most web-usage is happening on mobile, and ad-blockers are less common there. So, younger generation is pretty much living through the ads constantly.

vunderba 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Yup. For reference, on Android your best bet is to install Firefox + uBlock Origin. On iOS, I believe Kagi's Orion has built-in content blockers but you can also install uBlock Origin [1].

[1] https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ublock-origin...

stack_framer 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Brave is excellent on Android. I watch YouTube all the time with literally zero ads ever.

charlieyu1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It already happened to my friend, and they’re not so old. Some people typed WhatsApp to their search bar and was brought to a phishing site instead.

Oh wait it happened to me as well. Fortunately it was phishing a recruitment site and all they got is my CV.

onionisafruit 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not just the older generation. I can’t get my adult children to care about ad blockers.

LorenDB 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You also should just stop using Google Search. DuckDuckGo is solid, or if you don't want to use search results from Bing's index, I've been very happy with Brave Search.

jeremyjh 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree about DDG, but I find Kagi worth paying for.

DanOpcode 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have been using Kagi for about a month now. Haven't had any desire during that time to go back to Google. Solid search engine!

nicce 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A very valuable service for its price.

Also translate.kagi.com is much better than Google’s one.

balder1991 13 hours ago | parent [-]

For translation, a good one is DeepL.

nicce 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I used it until I found Kagi one.

behnamoh 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

people say that but they often come back to Google ;)

I've just learnt to use ad blockers. the only time I disable it is when I look up the definition of something or the location of a place and the entire page goes blank because of some rules I've added to uBlock.

arkh 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> people say that but they often come back to Google ;)

It used to be the case.

One of my laptop is setup with default DDG and the rare times I switch back to google I'm disappointed by even worse results.

teekert 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's solid, I use it 95% of the time, that 5% Google usually still disappoints.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=midjourney&ia=web -> Hmm, midjourney the AI thingy is not even there for me! Just https://www.midjourney.com which is not really clear on what it is. Midjourney is at Midjourney.online, which is not even on the first page. So Argualbly Google is still better. What a world.

Btw, I search DDG from the Firefox bar, and that does not let me copy the URL anymore!!! Wtf. There is just the search term, like there is in the field below it!! Omg, now I have the same thing twice, and a useful thing has been lost.

klez an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> I search DDG from the Firefox bar, and that does not let me copy the URL anymore

Yeah, I just noticed too. Go to Settings->Search there's a checkbox just below the default search engine. Uncheck that. Should be something along the lines of "Show search terms in the address bar in search results" (sorry for any errors in the translation, my browser's language is not English).

squigz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Erm, I'm fairly confident Midjourney.com is what you're talking about?

https://www.midjourney.com/explore?tab=video_top

Midjourney.online doesn't show up on either platform for me on the first page.

mock-possum 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Duck Duck Go is consistently worse than Google Search in, see https://www.tumblr.com/ddgvsggl

aydyn 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You also should just stop using Google Search. DuckDuckGo is solid

The only people who would say that are people who would be better off just asking ChatGPT.

Any nuanced search that isnt some encyclopedic fact is terrible on DDG.

xp84 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree somewhat, but those searches are getting less and less good on Google though.

In my recent experience, I'm far better off asking ChatGPT or just using it through Bing/Copilot than what I used to do a decade ago, which was deep dives through 5 pages of long-tail search results.

inerte 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you're trying to do anything in terms of official documents, there's a middleman charging more. I searched for "passport application" the other day and it was 4 ads of people offering this service.

My dad was trying to get an ESTA visa a couple years ago and ended up paying twice the actual price, because he can't discern what's the official site or not.

flyinglizard 10 hours ago | parent [-]

That's down to US Government policies. If you tried middle-manning any for-profit like that, you'd get a cease and desist letter really quickly. But USG doesn't seem to care. We can't reasonably expect Google to be a gatekeeper here.

spaqin 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's not just the US. I've seen that myself with Vietnam and Seychelles, and I'm sure it's a problem with any other country where a visa or other documents are required

nick486 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Last time i had to get a visa through these kind of channels, it looked almost deliberate. Outright bribing is now frowned upon, so they make the visa process as frustrating and opaque as possible. So that people have to either waste several days at the embassy, or go through one of those visa agencies instead. You pay for a totally legit above-the-table service, but it is effectively a "socially accepted bribe". And the administrative problem magically disappears.

hollerith 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>If you tried middle-manning any for-profit like that,

I think that is called affiliate marketing.

vunderba 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strong agree but unless it gets built-into the browser, the average net denizen simply won't do it. The number of times I've seen a friend of the family try to show me an article on their laptop while casually trying to shoot down the pop-up ads like they're playing a marketers version of Missile Command was astonishing.

And EVEN if they do install a blocker, 9 times out of 10 it'll be AdBlock Plus and not uBlock Origin [1]. You know, the one that allows companies to PAY to have their ads whitelisted.

This doesn't even cover browsing on a smartphone which unless you're running Android Firefox which supports browser extensions, you have very few options.

[1] Notice I said uBlock Origin and NOT uBlock.

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

jstanley 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> unless it gets built-into the browser

DuckDuckGo is built in to the browser! Google is still unfortunately the default, but it's just Settings -> Search -> Default Search Engine, and DuckDuckGo is already in the list.

> unless you're running Android Firefox

Yeah, obviously run Android Firefox.

chuckadams 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because the average person looking for an adblocker searches for "adblock". And they're supposed to know the difference between uBlock and UBO?

endgame 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The FBI agrees with you: https://www.pcmag.com/news/fbi-recommends-installing-an-ad-b...

smcin 12 hours ago | parent [-]

No, the previous admin's FBI did [0]. But then that alert page (on ic3.gov, Internet Crime Complaint Center) was taken down almost immediately after the 11/2024 election, before even the director was replaced. I genuinely expected this sort of basic alert should remain non-partisan.

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20241008235322/https://www.ic3.g...

smcin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

(at minimum, a search for "ad blocker" on ic3.gov should turn up some authoritative and useful advice page, not a random jumble of articles and press releases)

ricardobeat 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed. I got my credit card phished after buying tickets from an 'official' local museum website, it was the first result on Google. Later on I realized that all five top results were scam sites, the real one was 6th. They eventually fixed it.

kwar13 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Absolutely. I cannot use anything online anymore without pihole + ublock

tjpnz 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let's be more precise about what ads actually are, based on how the ad industry works today: malware

oblio an hour ago | parent [-]

They always were. Remember IE toolbars? Java and Acrobat bundled software?

ocdtrekkie 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All of the ad links are broken by our firewall at work. People complain but eventually they learn to skip the ads. Absolutely a security risk, search ads are second only to phishing emails as a threat vector.

symlinkk 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adblockers are a safety risk of their own - you’re giving @gorhill admin-level access to your browser.

xigoi 9 hours ago | parent [-]

You can check the source code.

pitched 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ve started asking ChatGPT to give me the right link. I can’t imagine they won’t start embedding ads too but so far, it’s been pretty clean.

adcoleman6 13 hours ago | parent [-]

That seems risky because of hallucinations. Wouldn't Google+Adblock be a better call?

pitched 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Having it hallucinate a valid url that is spoofing the site I’m looking for feels less likely than someone managing to game SEO. Eclipse is a good example: the first result in Google is eclipseide.org, not eclipse.org.