| ▲ | handoflixue 13 hours ago |
| Do we really want corporations enforcing unconfirmed reports? If the legal system can't handle the situation, why should we expect a private corporation to? |
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| ▲ | bitmasher9 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Being arrested and convicted of a crime is a much higher bar than what is required to ban somebody. I absolutely want private companies to curate their community of users. This is actively happening, and for some content and jurisdictions it is legally required to happen. If you get a strong signal that someone is a bad actor in your community you should remove them. |
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| ▲ | paxys 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What is the "strong signal"? It takes three clicks to report anyone for anything. | | |
| ▲ | tredre3 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree, even a handful of reports in a short period could have been orchestrated as a payback. However surely you could agree that there is a reasonable line somewhere. If, over the course of several months, multiple people with seemingly no connection to each other report the same problematic person, then is there ANY reason to not issue a ban? | | |
| ▲ | handoflixue 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I feel like "just issue a ban" trivializes the complexity of this: banning one account does basically nothing, and they can just create a new account. Multiple people often have the same name, so you can't just ban everyone with that name. It's trivial to take new pictures, etc.. That leaves, what, asking a private company to do facial recognition scans on all new users? Requiring them to present official government ID ala the recent EU laws? | | |
| ▲ | bitmasher9 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Perfect is the enemy of good. Honestly I’d prefer a dating app that checks identity and prohibits duplicate accounts |
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| ▲ | paxys 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If your safety system is "we'll have to wait till this person rapes several women over the course of many months" then it is meaningless to begin with. And they can then create another profile in seconds on any of the dozens of other apps out there. So no one is safer. The only reasonable line is - act on the first report (and every single other report), and work closely with the police. But if the victim doesn't want to involve the police then what can you even do? | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Best I can do is act on it and eat a massive defamation lawsuit. If you think the $1 Billion Alex Jones was ordered to pay for saying parents lied about dead kids was a lot, imagine how big it would be if someone accused or insinuated a bunch of people of being rapists based on unvetted reports. | | |
| ▲ | pkaeding 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | They don't need to make the ban public. But not stating publicly that a person did something, they cannot have defamed that person. |
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| ▲ | prmph 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder about these kind of crime sprees. It the person wishing to be arrested or something? A cardiologist life is not usually falling apart. so I wonder why this sort of madness would be a thing. Are they thinking nobody would believe the women? | |
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| ▲ | biophysboy 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Multiple reports from multiple users? The linked article starts with this. |
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| ▲ | sugarpimpdorsey 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You make the assumption that people aren't vengeful or liars. They are. Social media elicits the absolute worst human behavior imaginable. > I absolutely want private companies to curate their community of users This has been tried many times and proven to fail. You end up with echo chambers like lobsters and cesspools of the deranged like BlueSky. Yes, there are decent people on BS but not enough to offset the mass-reporting ban brigades. If you join there and have been deemed an undesirable you will be banned before you can utter a word. | | |
| ▲ | dsr_ 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | If everybody you meet is a jerk, maybe it's not them. | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cliques are a thing, and it's often the case that the clique is the one with the jerks. | | |
| ▲ | dsr_ 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah, but "sugarpimpdorsey" says that "echo chambers like lobsters and cesspools of the deranged like BlueSky" ban him. Is it your contention that lobsters and bluesky are run by the same or allied cliques? Perhaps it is more likely that someone who chooses that username might repeatedly act in ways which confirm to them that everyone else is a jerk? |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe everybody sucks. All people are garbage people. "Misanthropes of the world... Keep yourselves apart! Because, fuck you." |
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| ▲ | biophysboy 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >When a young woman in Denver met up with a smiling cardiologist she matched with on the dating app Hinge, she had no way of knowing that the company behind the app had already received reports from two other women who accused him of rape. This is clearly worse than false positives. They have a big user database that law enforcement does not. |
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| ▲ | handoflixue 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > They have a big user database that law enforcement does not. Why doesn't law enforcement have this data? Presumably these crimes are being reported to the police? If the crime wasn't worth reporting to the police, I'm not convinced why a private company would have some obligation to act. | | |
| ▲ | biophysboy 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Even after a police report, it took nearly two months for Matthews to be arrested — the only thing that got him off the apps. By then, at least 15 women would eventually report that Matthews had raped or drugged them. Nearly every one of them had met him on dating apps run by Match Group. | | |
| ▲ | handoflixue 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, I read the article. So what's the problem? The legal process was followed, he got arrested. If you think the legal process is too slow, presumably the focus should be on fixing that, so that rapists face actual consequences? |
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| ▲ | stevage 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Presumably these crimes are being reported to the police? Why do you presume that? And even in the best case scenario, it takes years between a report and someone being sent to prison. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > They have a big user database that law enforcement does not. That they should share with law enforcement when appropriately requested. |
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| ▲ | jcims 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m perfectly comfortable with them banning people that have multiple reports of criminal activity. |
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| ▲ | handoflixue 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | If there are multiple confirmed reports of criminal activity, why isn't that person being arrested? | | |
| ▲ | bad_haircut72 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | perhaps the bar for kicking someone off a dating app could be lower than that required for a criminal conviction?? |
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| ▲ | YetAnotherNick 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I could understand not banning users or being too conservative in general, but match group bans lots of users without any communication. I know people banned without any reason, and you can see so many reports on reddit. So they could probably just automate banning on even single report. |
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| ▲ | handoflixue 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | I feel like "auto-ban on a single report" gets weaponized as soon as people figure it out, and just encourages people to get better at creating alt-accounts to evade the bans? |
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