| ▲ | X0nic 4 hours ago |
| The "what" seems to be purely a reaction to this article DHH posted: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 Apparently, the reason is having an incorrect opinion. |
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| ▲ | rockyj 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This article is just so politically charged and opinionated that it is hard to believe that it is coming on a "tech blog". Not to mention, a while back the very same company wanted its employees to have no political discussions at workplace in a widely published article. |
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| ▲ | petralithic 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not a tech blog, it's his personal blog, and it's quite in line with that company post previously; advocate for whatever policies you want on your own time and platform but not on the company's, and since this is his personal blog, he is doing exactly that. | | |
| ▲ | CactusBlue 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's on hey.com domain, which is part of his company. | | |
| ▲ | ayhanfuat 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | world.hey.com is their personal blogging space. Every user gets a page at world.hey.com/username |
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| ▲ | muglug 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s published on hey.com, which is a 37Signals product. Also it’s sort of hard to separate the guy who offers his opinions on his blog and the same guy who offers his opinions at a tech conference. | | |
| ▲ | mostlysimilar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's plenty to criticize DHH for but to be fair world.hey.com is a feature of the email platform that lets you easily post a blog. He's using his own software/platform and I realize the optics, but you could post your own thoughts at world.hey.com/muglug too. |
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| ▲ | array_key_first an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know why everyone pretends that having an incorrect opinion is some untouchable thing and we just have to respect it. Everyone, you included, has opinions that they find unpalatable. Pretty much all of human history has been "cancelling" people for "incorrect opinions". I mean, what were the crusades? Or world war II? There's no, like, gun to your head saying you have to respect things you don't respect. Some things are just not respectable. You're allowed to be like "no" and then decide to get as far away from the person as possible. And, relatedly - you don't have to run away. You can push them away. Its not really fair that crazy people are allowed to say crazy things then we, normal people, have to take the high ground and walk away. What if I don't want to walk away? Why do I have to leave a project like it's the plague because you said something insane? Anyway, just my two cents. Also, just to be clear: I don't think DHH is crazy or evil. I'm addressed the broader concept, not this specific case. |
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| ▲ | JohnBooty 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As far as I can tell, the direct chain of events preceding this coup-like event was: Ruby Central hosts DHH at RailsConf in July --> Sidekiq withdraws funding from Ruby Central --> Ruby Central is essentially entirely dependent on Shopify. The "what" seems to be purely a reaction to this article DHH posted:
Strictly speaking, DHH's September blog post could not have driven this unless there was a time machine involved. However, DHH has made some contentious political statements in the past so perhaps what you're saying is true in a larger sense.It's certainly possible that Shopify's actions had nothing to do with either side's politics in particular, and they decided it was simply safer for them to control Ruby Cental and RubyGems rather than rely on an independent organization with unstable funding (that they were basically solely funding anyway according to the article) I don't love that outcome. As a Ruby fan, I don't want Ruby or bits of its infrastructure controlled by a particular organization. |
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| ▲ | cardanome 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The victim mindset of these people is on another level. DHH presents the openly transphobic Graham Linehan as some kind of free speech victim. Oh, I should read the actual tweet? Funny the actual tweet is so much worse than I imagined. If a trans-women is in a space that she is legally entitled to be in, according to him one should: > Make, a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him[he means the trans-women] in the balls He is literally telling people to be violent against trans people. And then cries when actions have consequences. These people are like the school yard bully who will start a fight with you then cry "timeout, timeout" when you punch back. And go to the teacher to convince you they are the real victim. |
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| ▲ | xmonkee 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I was actually shocked he included those tweets as if they were incredibly benign. I now believe this is an intentional move on his part. He knows the tweets are crazy incendiary, he just wants to filter out the audience early. This trend of catering to far right fan boys while maintaining plausible deniability is happening everywhere. | |
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| ▲ | lowsong 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | schnebbau 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The linked article doesn't mention anything about skin color. Please don't stir hatred like that here. | | | |
| ▲ | mrkstu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My goodness, people need to leave their ‘supremacist’ scarlet letters in their bags for when they’re actually earned. The Brits are just as much ‘native’ people to their lands as any aboriginal group. To want to keep their characteristic culture from being wiped out is no more supremacist than any other ethnic group doing the same. The hypocrisy is beyond the pale. | | |
| ▲ | viraptor 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He doesn't talk about culture though. He only talks about native. Like people coming from other countries can't drink tea or enjoy great British bakeoff or something. It's one of those "you know what I mean" posts with racist references. | |
| ▲ | habinero 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh, is this the new talking point? The Brits conquered the world and imposed their "characteristic culture" on everyone else. They don't really get to complain lol | | |
| ▲ | mrkstu 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Collective guilt is problematic regardless of which direction you point the gun. | | |
| ▲ | habinero 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's really telling you jumped right to "guilt". Nobody said the Brits had to feel guilty for their ancestors doing that. Just that they don't get to complain lol | | |
| ▲ | jadamson 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are Brits not guilty of conquering the world? That would seem to be an honest reading of what you wrote. |
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| ▲ | lowsong 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They are very much earned, but don't take my word for it when DHH says it himself. > In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. What does he mean here with that last sentence? Did he do a survey? Ask people where they were born or to self report their nationality? No. He walked through London, saw people who weren't white, and then went on his blog to complain about "non native Brits". He is explicitly talking about skin colour and implying that unless you are white you are not British. That definitionally racist. To then go on, and praise Tommy Robinson, a far-right extremist who's spent the past decade stoking hate. The message of this article leaves no room for misunderstanding. In DHH's own view if you are not a white "native" Brit then you should be removed. That is, by definition, a white supremacist. | | |
| ▲ | smarnach 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | He also links a Wikipedia article stating that more than 60 percent of Londoners were born in Britain to prove his point that only a third of Londoners are "native Brits". That doesn't leave much room for interpretation. |
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| ▲ | gedy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think that term gets tossed around too much flippantly - if you've ever ran into real white supremacists they are a magnitude more scary and dangerous than DHH's dopey opinion. | | |
| ▲ | habinero 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, the dopey ones are just as bad. They legitimize having bigoted opinions, and having bigoted opinions towards immigrants in an industry founded on immigrants is both short-sighted and not something anyone should support. Nobody ever gets cancelled for actual conservative values like lower taxes and limited government. They get kicked out for being hateful. | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Racism isn't boogeymen in white robes hanging people. It's kindly old ladies whose smile disappears the instant they lock onto a brown kid in the grocery store. It's bosses who somehow find a good reason to not give a non-white person a pay raise or time off. It's ordinary people who feel uncomfortable when they encounter people who look different and then they act different towards them. The grand majority of racism is invisible. It's a constant pressure on people who do not perfectly fit into the culture that reminds them that if they do not meet the mark of what that group of people expect from them then the consequences will be extreme. When you are not white and live in a town of generically racist white people, there are countless small things that happen that continuously remind you that your presence is under surveillance and that your permission to exist peacefully in "their" space is an act of grace that you must forever be grateful for. This is something that can be explained to anyone ad nauseum, but until they experience it for themselves it sounds like bs. It's so easy to ignore that most people forget this as soon as their eyes are not looking at these words. | | |
| ▲ | gedy an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don't disagree with anything you've said. Just that calling DHH a white supremacist is an exaggeration. It waters down the meaning, and not sure what's left to describe violent street thugs in discourse, I guess "LiTerAL nAZis"? |
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| ▲ | JohnBooty 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Regardless of whether or not that's the correct term for DHH.... real white supremacists they are a magnitude more
scary and dangerous than DHH's dopey opinion
I would like to caution you against the use of the term "real" white supremacists.Are you imagining a "real" white supremacist as guy who burns crosses, is covered with racist tattoos, and openly spouts slurs? Because the effective and dangerous ones are a hell of a lot more stealthy than that. Racism in general, including white supremacy, is more accurately viewed as a spectrum and not a binary racist/non-racist divide. | | |
| ▲ | gedy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > viewed as a spectrum and not a binary racist/non-racist divide That's exactly my point why I suggest not watering down the term white supremacy with "I hate this annoying opinion when I interpret it maximally". Calling DHH a white supremacist is silly. |
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| ▲ | testdelacc1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s pretty galling to see someone who’s never lived in London talk mad shit about it. London is my home, not DHH’s. He knows fuck all, which is why he repeats tired, overcooked falsehoods. What he’s saying is that he only considers white British to be legitimately British. He would look at former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and current Mayor Sadiq Khan and dismiss them as insufficiently British. Too much melanin I guess. He’s even excluded white people from elsewhere who were born in Britain if they have a non-British ancestor. So according to DHH and his ilk Nigel Farage’s children wouldn’t be counted as white British despite having white mothers (Irish and German), being born to a British father in Britain and living all their lives in Britain. What the fuck is the point of dividing people like this? “Just an opinion” my ass. DHH and people like him are dehumanising my fellow Londoners. |
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| ▲ | NelsonMinar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It sure sounds like simple white supremacy | |
| ▲ | izacus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I actually accidentally walked into that protest while doing touristy stuff in London that weekend (yeah, great weekend to choose) and first it looked weird having all those people waving British and English flags walking around.... and then I noticed many wore shirts with "Make Britain White Again" (sic) slogans and unironically wearing "Make Britain Great Again" hats. Whatever that thing was, it was about as peaceful as "Truth Rallies" Milošević organized before the whole 1990s war in Balkans went down. DHH seems outright delusional in that post. | | |
| ▲ | LightBug1 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's just another example of someone straying outside of their sphere(s) of expertise ... there are some excellent examples to the contrary, but fuck you money tends to tempt those with weak characters into these situations. Incredibly sad to watch. He literally has no idea what he's talking about. |
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| ▲ | testdelacc1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I did respond to one of his falsehoods, you must have missed it in your hurry to post this pithy putdown. DHH and his gang of “White Replacement” reptiles overstate the facts by saying 40% of London is white British. Nigel Farage is a leader of a British far right party who exclusively has children with foreign women. His children are as white as he is, British citizens who’ve lived all their lives in Britain. To any reasonable person, even someone who struggles to mingle with non-white people like DHH, Farage’s children would be white British. But the stats would count them as “white - Other”, which is another 20% of London. They twist the stats to suit their narrative. | | |
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| ▲ | shadowgovt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As a visitor, London was absolutely lovely. I felt hands-down safer on its streets than the streets of my home city, for what it's worth. Plus, hell of a good ramen shop near the West End. | | |
| ▲ | hitekker an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | My girlfriend witnessed a robbery in London's city center ~2 weeks ago, in the second day of our visit. After that, we saw a homeless guy pooping on a wall; some of them screaming at others. I didn't feel like I was personally in danger, but I'm also a guy who's lived next to American slums. | |
| ▲ | testdelacc1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ippudo? Bone Daddies? | | |
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| ▲ | JeremyNT an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| He's been posting controversial stuff for quite a while, you certainly can't distill this to one blog post. DHH stopped trying to cultivate an inclusive community some time ago. The ruby community can ill afford to drive away more prominent maintainers, yet that is what is happening here, as the corporate interests are aligned with DHH even if the rest of the community is not. |