| ▲ | elgenie 17 hours ago |
| This is an incoherent blog post. 1. The concept of "domestic terrorist organization" not a thing under any US law. Further, there exists no such organization in observable reality. 2. "All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations" is … nothing, because that's what federal law enforcement is already charged with. |
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| ▲ | odo1242 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Also, Antifa is the name of a political ideology, not any particular organization. |
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| ▲ | xnx 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. It's like calling feminism a terror organization (at the risk of giving them the idea). | | |
| ▲ | r721 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Reminds me of Russia: >Russia outlaws ‘international LGBT public movement’ as extremist https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/russia-supreme... >Russia’s top court bans nonexistent ‘Satanist movement’ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-supreme-court-bans-sa... | | |
| ▲ | cloverich 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | TBH i feel a lot of what is happening was easily predictable in recent years BUT i did not have "US follows Russia path" in so many words because i felt given our more generally liberal society and economic conditions i couldn't imagine such a path in my head. But it really clicked when i went to listen to the last few podcasts of the recently deceased and realized how it felt precisely like Russian propaganda; now here i am second guessing the risk of things i type when only a few short years ago i bragged that being able to yell f** Obama without concern was the quintissential example of how America was still quite different. The real struggle is i have true believers and apologists in my own family, and its just so... unreal how unreachable they are. For all the talk of what to do about it, i feel for people who havent really explored the depths to which many reasonably intelligent and reasonably kind people have fallen. And just wandering what if anything will shake them out of it. | | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't remember the people wearing "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" in 2017? That's all I needed to see to realize where we were headed. They would rather live in an oppressive, white, Christian ethnostate like Russia rather than the multicultural pluralistic free society with Democrats. | |
| ▲ | omnimus 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is fascinating how quickly US got on the Putin path. Trump seems to run the same Putin playbook. For example Russia also had max terms in a row - so this was removed in 2020 before elections (this will happen if Trump is still alive). Yes Russia still has elections but the fanaticized public + vote faking resulted in Puting having 88%. | | |
| ▲ | theshrike79 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Especially when a good bunch of hardline MAGA were alive during the Red Scare where communism and Soviet Union / Russia was bad. Now they're best buddies exchanging tips on how to oppress minorities. Wtf? | | |
| ▲ | CLPadvocate 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's actually pretty consistent - they knew back then that the entire Red Scare was a complete bullshit, used only for oppression of dissidents - and now they are just using new methods for the same goal. |
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| ▲ | pacomerh 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It still blows my mind most people that agree with this post actually don't know what the word means. This is just a catchy word to divide us. | | |
| ▲ | scoofy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What words mean is actually pretty complicated. When groups of people start co-opting one word as a symbol, rather than having a name that word can easily become a name for that group. | |
| ▲ | addandsubtract 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have no problem being divided from fascists. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My observation is it's not even a full ideology. More of just a term and symbology to describe being against fascism. | |
| ▲ | stogot 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Biden DHS called them “loosely affiliated organizations” because they were underground. Closest analogy might be anonymous or lulz. You can see members show up to protests and carry Antifa flags, in full military gear, causing violence, etc. There are arrest videos on YouTube, and the ATF, DHS, and Florida AG went after some named members back in 2023 http://www.myfloridalegal.com/newsrelease/action-against-ant... Also others have linked to other orgs later in this comments | |
| ▲ | fufxufxutc 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | burnt-resistor 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's an essentially fictional group those in power are hyping with whatever vilification they want for the third red scare to castigate any enemy or disloyal member so they can scapegoat and crucify whomever they want, probably including stealing their citizenship, property, safety, and/or liberty. Anyone stepping out of line will be subject to this treatment, and so 1a (e.g., freedom from government censorship) will weaken. |
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| ▲ | Tadpole9181 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, don't diminish what it is. It is the sitting president of the United States stating that a political ideology that stands against fascism is illegal and directing the executive - the most powerful and only functional branch of the government under the GOP "unitary executive policy" - to take punitive actions against this thought crime. |
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| ▲ | FranzFerdiNaN 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Its not incoherent, its the White House using the power and might of the United States government and law enforcement against it's own people, because they will just declare anything they dont like 'Antifa' or 'the left'. Its fascism pure and simple. |
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| ▲ | k33n 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 1. Domestic terrorist organization specifically is not a thing under US law, that is true. But domestic terrorism is, and we do have RICO statutes. (https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47885) 2. Not incoherent. Seems pretty specific: All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations. |
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