So doxxing people is just ok now? "The right" makes an app to dox people that criticize Charlie Kirk, "the left" makes a website to dox people that own a Tesla amid a wave of Tesla vandalism. [1]

I remember growing up on YouTube. Starting with the atheist-chrisitian debates that got engulfed into politics around 2016 and never went back. And doxxing someone or trying to get them fired for not agreeing with you was seen as the lowest of the low. On all sides.

Shame.

[1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/tesla-dogequest-websit...

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cookiengineer 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You seem to have not understood that in politics, it was never about values.

It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint.

Trying to find a compromise is losing the game in the long term. That's why doxxing in public is so effective for the right wing, because it moves the needle of what is okay to say as a rhetoric, while lowering the chance of finding a compromise, too. The more hate it spreads, the better.

And the absolutists on the left side of the spectrum are just as radicalized by now as a copycat game strategy. The irony here is that if they would get voted into the Capitol, they would stalemate democracy just the same.

And that's the bug that Putin is exploiting with his propaganda machine, since 2011, the day he realized he must control the media when Gorbachev's daughter tried to start a coup and failed.

Also check out what happened to MTV in Russia, which had a comedy show about Putin. That's what's happening to Jimmy Kimmel right now (and probably John Oliver soon).

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JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint

It wasn't always like this. But if you remove the classics and philosophy from high school, and then dilute the liberal arts in undergrad into gimme courses, you wind up with generations who can't think about values. And then you devolve into purely transactional politics.

	▲	cookiengineer a few seconds ago \| parent [-]
		Isn't this the goal of the current administration? Everything they did this year to the education system, cutting funding, force-aligning them with political views, eradicating Democratic government members... it all boils down to creating the education system that creates the next generation of MAGA followers that are easier to control and easier to rule. Just the mandatory AI usage in the education sector combined with the "bug" in the library of congress' website that showed a different version of the constitution when you set the User Agent to an LLM one; which specifically removed all parts that had rights to call for militia by the House of Congress (which cannot be a "bug", let's be honest) ... is such a red flag for me.

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ziml77 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doxxing is not ok. I don't give a crap what other people replying are saying about this being normal now, it's both disgusting and dangerous.

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carlosjobim 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not doxxing when people publish things under their own names. Even so, doxxing is of course perfectly legal in the sense of uncovering the name of a debater. Not so in publishing the adress or other irrelevant information.

And I hope you understand that there is an enormous difference in person A purchasing a popular car and person B publicly celebrating a gruesome murder.

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serbuvlad 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To me the important thing is the "nefarious" action that is "implied". For B it's firing (I understand that's what's been happening in this case) and for A it's vandalism (as that's what was happening at this time).

And getting fired for expressing a 1A-protected opinion outside of work hours, and getting your car destroyed for purchasing a legal product are pretty comparable.

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none2585 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In terms of whether it's "okay" to dox there isn't an "enormous" difference except in how you perceive the person being doxxed.

	▲	carlosjobim 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If you are publishing things on the Internet under your own name and your own face, it is expected that the world should know. You were yourself the person who shouted it out to the world. If you purchase a vehicle, it is not expected that the world should know. Purchasing a vehicle isn't public speech. In none of the above cases should the person be physically mapped or stalked. Or be the victims of terrorist attacks.

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JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> doxxing people is just ok now?

I'm not on much social media. But my general takeaway is...yes? The cultural Overton window on this seems to have shifted at...some point over the last few years. It doesn't really strike me as repulsive anymore, which is interesting in itself.

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DangitBobby 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I still find it repulsive.

	▲	JumpCrisscross an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> I still find it repulsive I do in theory. But my test is not would I do it (no), but would I reject out of hand the acquaintance of someone who had. And the answer, today, is no, whereas a few years ago I think it would have been yes.