Speaking of knots, and not to hijack this post: I am interested in learning, say, 10 most useful knots that could be useful in most situations: joining two ropes, attaching a rope to a tree branch, etc. etc. Is there a youtube channel people would recommend I watch to pick them up?

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bubblyworld 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Figure eight, bowline, slipknot, clove hitch, trucker's hitch (not really a knot but useful) and a sheet bend will cover you for like 99% of use-cases, including climbing haha.

	▲	stouset 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If you learn some of these, you'll also see how interconnected many of them are. A sheet bend and bowline knot are both wildly useful. But a bowline is just a single rope sheet-bent (sheet bended?) back onto itself! And a trucker's hitch is just a slip knot where you creatively use the slipped loop as a pulley.
	▲	justusthane 3 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I’d add the adjustable grip hitch to your (very good) list.
	▲	niccl 3 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		A round-turn and two half-hitches is also useful. And a highwayman's hitch, just for fun
	▲	shiandow 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I rarely use anything other than a bowline, midshipman's hitch (and variants, very useful) or zeppelin bend. A reef bend also works, but has many ways to tie it wrong. The most important thing is to know when to use what.

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alex989 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to be a rope access worker, mostly for consstruction, maintenance and inspections in hard to access places. Most knots are only useful in very niche situations or to impress your friends. You probably don't need more than 5 to solve almost every situation you could realistically get yourself into (eg. Figure height, alpine butterfly). In a lot of cases, the fancy knots you see online are only usefull because they are easier to untie after getting loaded (eg. Using figure-nine instead of figure-height) and you can ignore them.

I would recommend looking at the ones that are thought in the Irata and Sprat certifications. IIRC there is fewer than 10 but there is a wide range of ways you can use them or combine them together.

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greenicon 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd say that the basic sailing knots should fit your bill pretty well. I can't recommend an online source, but you should find plenty resources on Youtube. It shouldn't take longer than an evening or two to learn them.

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Scalestein 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are three knots I use that have covered all my needs as a casual camper:

Taut-line hitch

Sliding knot for fastening loads or setting guy-lines https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch

Bowline

Essential general knot for tying a loop. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/bowline

Square Knot

Used for joining ropes or just an easy to unite knot. For joining ropes you could do a sheet bend which is stronger https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/square-knot

https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/sheet-bend

There are a billion options so I recommend just picking a few and practicing until you can tie them quickly without references. You'll start to understand hope knots in general work and be able to pick up other knots much easier.

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david-gpu 3 days ago | parent [-]

PSA: the square knot is notoriously unsafe and should never be used in safety critical applications. Ditto for the sheet bend.

If you care about safety, look for knots used in climbing instead.

	▲	IAmBroom 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		And the bowline is considerably weaker than the figure-8. The latter is also easier to learn and remember.

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opto 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I work as a merchant seaman and for our regular day's work everyone basically exclusively uses bowlines, round turn and two half hitches, and clove hitches. We'd use reef knots or single sheet bends for joining ropes.

	▲	pbalau 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		As a relatively keen sailboat racer, that sounds about right.

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iljya 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Animated Knots by Grog is a good reference, with excellent explanations, visuals, and in many cases fascinating supplementary commentary and history. Have fun!

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somat 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I settled on two, I don't really need a lot of knots but wanted to do better than the overhand. Anyway the two I settled on were "putting a loop in the end of a rope" The bowline. and "tying something down on my truck" The Truckers hitch. There are many great knots out there but I figure between these two that is about 90 percent of my knot tying needs.

Beware the truckers hitch, it is not a real knot so should be secured by one. But super handy for making a line nice and tight. The one I picked up is this over complicated version that has the nice property that it is in-line, that is, you don't need the far end of the rope for it to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J8MuOWO0Qs

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te 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/top-10-rope-knots

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david-gpu 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I went through that exact rabbit hole a couple of years ago, and after much watching the HowNot2 channel, and much reading other sources, I came to the conclusion that you only need to learn very few knots to do nearly everything. The specific knots you learn matter little as long as you select knots with a long eatablished safety record.

My personal short list are the following:

1. Joining two ropes (i.e. bend): Zeppelin bend, or Figure-8 bend. If the ropes have a very different diameter you will need a different knot, such as a Double Sheet Bend.

2. Holding on to an object (i.e. hitch): Two Round Turns & Two Half Hitches. More turns and half hitches make it more secure.

3. Making a fixed-diameter loop at the end of a rope: Figure-8 loop.

4. Making a fixed diameter loop in the middle of a rope: Alpine Butterfly, or simply take another piece of rope and do a Prusik Loop.

5. Grabbing onto a rope, such as when you want a loop that can be cinched down (i.e. friction hitch): Icicle Hitch. I personally do Round Turns & Half Hitches instead, and will die on that hill.

Another useful trick that can be done with a combination of the above is called a Trucker's Hitch. It is not so much a unique knot, but a common combination of the principles above.

For those who know about knots: please resist the temptation to nitpick and offer alternatives. Yes, there are many others. No, it doesn't matter. The knots above, or a combination thereof, covers 95% of everything you can do with rope, they are safe, and easy to verify.

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rstuart4133 3 days ago | parent [-]

> you only need to learn very few knots to do nearly everything

I see a lot of posts here along these lines. It turns out there is a trade-off between knots: how easy they are to undo vs how likely they are to spontaneously untie, particularly when not under load.

Most of the "every knot you need" recommendations here seem to come from people tying things down for a short haul, and consequently come from the the "easy to untie" end of the spectrum. The sheepshank is great for a temporary tie down but obviously falls apart when not under load. Less obviously so does the bowline, figure 8, and most knots composed of half-hitches.

A rock climber takes a dim view of knots that spontaneously untie when they aren't looking, so they use a different set of knots. At the extreme are fishermen. A single strand of nylon is slippery, is weakened by kinks, and yet a fisherman's knot must remain secure while drifting in the surf being bashed waves. Consequently, they will use complex, slow to tie knots with 7 or 10 loops.

Your knots look to be at the "easy to untie" kind, except the alpine butterfly. If it has been under high load for a while it can be a real bitch to get apart. It's popular with climbers, but I would not recommend it for tying down a load.

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david-gpu 3 days ago | parent [-]

> I see a lot of posts here along these lines. It turns out there is a trade-off between knots: how easy they are to undo vs how likely they are to spontaneously untie, particularly when not under load.

Agreed. There are many tradeoffs, indeed. But just because there are ten common knots that can do a bend, it doesn't mean that a person benefits from using all of them -- they all perform the same function, so knowing a single secure bend is enough, especially for a beginner asking these sorts of questions.

Personally, I have chosen my knots based on how safe and effective they are, as well as how easy they are to remember, tie, dress, verify and untie after load. The Zeppelin bend is hard to verify against e.g. the hunter's bend or Ashley's -- but it's just as secure as a flemish bend at a fraction of the effort to tie. The double sheet bend is bleh, but I didn't want to get into the weeds of what to do when joining ropes of very dissimilar diameters.

> Most of the "every knot you need" recommendations here seem to come from people tying things down for a short haul, and consequently come from the the "easy to untie" end of the spectrum

Agreed. I would say camping-style knots tend to be easy to tie, easy to untie, and not adequate for safety critical applications.

> Your knots look to be at the "easy to untie" kind

If you mean "easy to untie after being heavily loaded", then we agree. If you mean "can become untied accidentally after e.g. intermittent loads", we disagree. They are climbing knots, after all.

I specifically did not include knots that are commonly recommended even though they untie easily e.g. under intermittent loads, such as the sheet bend or the bowline, precisely because of how easily they become untied.

> It's popular with climbers, but I would not recommend it for tying down a load.

I am not in love with the alpine butterfly variations in general, but in the specific context of making a midline fixed loop without access to either end, there's not much to choose from as far as I know. The Figure-8 capsizes in that application, for example. That said, I would rather use an accessory line with a friction hitch (e.g. Prusik loop), but an alpine butterfly is commonly used in safety critical applications as you mention, so I'm curious to learn what you would rather use in that situation.

As for fishermen and safety, how do you explain that they still commonly use the bowline or the sheet bend?

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rstuart4133 2 days ago | parent [-]

> As for fishermen and safety, how do you explain that they still commonly use the bowline or the sheet bend?

I've not seen a lot of fisherman use them myself. But if they are indeed common as you say, then it must mean most fisherman are beginners.

Fisherman are nice people. They help each other out, and they learn fast. For example when a fish falls off the line a beginner will often loudly proclaim it bit through the line. Someone with experience often takes that opportunity to look for the telltale curls in the nylon line indicating the knot had slipped, rather than being cut. If they see them, they will often congratulate the beginner on nearly catching the biggest fish of the day - it's a shame they don't know how to tie a fishing knot.

> I specifically did not include knots that are commonly recommended even though they untie easily e.g. under intermittent loads, such as the sheet bend or the bowline,

Ahh, sorry. Reading comprehension fail on my part. I confused your post with others that mentioned the bowline. It's a wonderful knot, but it must be kept under tension.

> alpine butterfly is commonly used in safety critical applications as you mention, so I'm curious to learn what you would rather use in that situation.

As I said as the start, I was thinking you were recommending knots for casual use. I'd use the Alpine Butterfly when I want something that won't slip in that situation, however I quietly curse under my breath while tying it because if it gets tight I've created a lot of work, particularly if I don't have a marlin spike handy. I haven't owned one for years now, so I go out of my way to not use the butterfly.

	▲	david-gpu 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		To be frank, this has been a rather disappointing conversation. I gave some quick guidance for newbies with some broader context to help them, only to have somebody dismiss everything I said because they didn't pay any attention to what was written. Next time, please do read what you reply to, especially if you are going to be dismissive. What a waste of everybody's time. I was hoping to learn something new. Bleh.

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stronglikedan 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem is that it's nearly impossible to remember the correct way to tie a specific knot in a given situation unless you do it frequently. It's always best to have a cheat sheet as part of your (e.g., camping) gear. So once, you get the YT recommendations that you ask for (and you will), take physical notes!

	▲	astroflection 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I keep a short length of rope around the house where I occasionally pick it up and practice some knots. If you rely on them to protect yourself like in climbing they needs to be memorized to the point where you can tie them in the dark.

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fred_is_fred 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are kits you can buy which come with a deck of cards along with two or more ropes (of different sizes) which are fun to do as well. Some knots are specific to connect different size or same sized ropes. It's a good mental exercise.

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pbalau 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There are plenty of good examples in the other replies and I just want to add that the square knot, with a tiny variation, is the best way to tie your shoelaces.