| ▲ | 827a 8 hours ago |
| Tbh, I can't speak to a lot of the regions on here, but the grouping of "Greater Appalachia" is so wild. The idea that mid-Indiana, west-Texas, and eastern Tennessee have anything in common, from a cultural, immigration, quality of life, anything perspective, has to have been an idea proposed by someone who has only read books about those regions. |
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| ▲ | uncletaco 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I can see the similarities between Amarillo and Knoxville. Every city on I-40 feels similar to me until Albuquerque, having spent time in a number of Tennessee cities and having to visit wife's hometown in Texas. Low key writing this has made me realize how much of my life has just been migrating up and down I-40. |
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| ▲ | retlehs 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | What shared traits do you see between Amarillo and Knoxville? Having visited both, Amarillo is distinctly High Plains/Western while Knoxville is Appalachian. Different cultures, geography, everything. | | |
| ▲ | uncletaco 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Family goes to a non-denominational evangelical church in Knoxville, family goes to a non-denominational evangelical church in Amarillo. Both would probably be the same denomination but its unpopular to claim a denomination these days. After church its dinner that's a meat + 2 vegetables and cornbread. There's a big ford in each driveway that hasn't hauled more than dogs and kids since the day it came home. Maybe its just my biases but I just did not have any culture shock outside of how long it takes to drive anywhere out west. | | |
| ▲ | retlehs 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > There's a big ford in each driveway that hasn't hauled more than dogs and kids since the day it came home I can't speak on Knoxville because I've only spent a day there, but I've spent a good bit of time around Amarillo mostly from driving between CO and TX over a hundred times, although not really in the suburbs. Saw a lot of beat up trucks that looked like they were owned by blue collar folks and used for truck things. But of course there's also plenty of brodozers, which I'm assuming are also fairly common in Knoxville. | | |
| ▲ | uncletaco 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, you're always gonna have those. I was just saying two middle class families living a thousand miles away from each other along I-40 were fairly similar to me. They are also considered in the same nation according to this map. The only part of this map I'd quibble with based on personal experience is Birmingham, AL (and Jefferson County) is definitely in that same Greater Appalachia nation because I can't in my heart of hearts say it and Dothan, AL have anything in common. The most interesting thing in Dothan is a hardware store. |
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| ▲ | dugmartin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As someone that grew up partly in Southern Illinois with lots of relatives in Southern Indiana I can tell you they have a great deal in common. Both regions are very "southern" culturally, with very distinct accents. Illinois is an interesting place as it features large changes in culture from north to south. I was born in Northern Illinois and lived there until I was 10 when I moved 5 hours south. There is an enormous cultural difference. As the map shows Northern Illinois is part of the "Midlands" with a flat/generic accent whereas the Southern Illinois/Southern Indiana accent sounds a lot like Woody Harrelson's (who was born in Texas). The greater Chicagoland area is its own thing, the map shows it part of Yankeedom but I disagree - I lived in Chicago twice in my 20s and I've lived in Yankeedom (Massachusetts) for 25 years now and I don't see much similarity. I'd group far northern Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota in their own group, maybe called the "Opers" |
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| ▲ | 827a an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah southern Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, northern Kentucky, and western Tennessee, the Ohio River Valley in essence, are culturally very similar and "appalachia-light". But IMO that's a very far cry from eastern/south-eastern Kentucky, eastern Tennessee, western NC, WV, etc; truly core Appalachia. Its also a far cry from mid-Indiana, which is culturally identical to northern Indiana, most of Illinois, Iowa, southern Michigan, maybe even as far as southern Wisconsin, Kansas, and Nebraska. That's Corn/Rust belt, very crop-farm oriented, dairy farms, extremely flat, but not as rural as many people think, not nearly as rural as Appalachia or the west. |
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| ▲ | paxys 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| About as accurate as grouping the entire west coast stretching from Alaska to SoCal as a monoculture. |
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| ▲ | tracerbulletx 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It doesn't include SoCal. It stops in Monterey County/Big Sur. | |
| ▲ | Supermancho 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thinking about the map as monocultures is disingenuous. They have cultural focuses in common (among other things), which does not make them the same culture. Notably, these regions do not vote the same. It's not a party alignment map. | | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | What "cultural focuses" are shared between the ranchers of the far west (e.g. the Bundy family), the Mormons of the high desert, a dozen indigenous nations speaking entirely different language families, and the gold rush immigrants of the Yukon? | | |
| ▲ | Supermancho 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > ranchers of the far west (e.g. the Bundy family), the Mormons of the high desert Culturally, they both share a concern over Gun control for one. Those specific groups happen to align politically on the issue, which is incidental. | | |
| ▲ | EasyMark 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's like 90% of rural America though. I've lived in various rural areas and they were invariably majority very pro gun, at least in the south and western USA. Northeast is more of a hodge podge on 2nd amendment though, and you have to go deeper into rural areas for stronger support. | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And yet the Navajo Nation bordering both of them has fairly strict gun registries. Both of those are yet different than the situation in Alberta (more similar to TX), and YT more resembles Alaskan gun culture. They're obviously not related by immigration group either. The Hopi descend from early first nations. The Navajo descend from the athabascan migrations. Yukon comes from Canadian and British gold rush populations. Alberta comes from various prairie settler efforts, including Ukrainian Canadians. The Mormons were their own settlement group in Mexico that went to war with many of the (now-) surrounding indigenous nations. Etc. And this is just one "American nation". The same basic issue exists in all of them. | | |
| ▲ | Supermancho 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > And yet the Navajo Nation bordering both of them has fairly strict gun registries. The fact there are political differences by region is not a defining factor, or the regions would look very different. The fact it is a cultural topic at all, looks to be one common factor. I feel like I'm talking in circles now. Regardless, I really don't understand this sort of hair splitting. My imagination isn't that expansive, yet I can understand how these regions might have been determined in many cases. Asking the authors might get answers to these kinds of questions. |
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| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Bundys are Mormons of the high desert. (OK, maybe not "high" entirely...) |
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| ▲ | onlypassingthru 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The ubiquity of Subarus, the BLM signs in front yards & the pride stickers don't convince you? Ever drive an hour or two away from the coast and notice the difference? |
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| ▲ | jccalhoun 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree. However, I will say that I always thought that Southern Indiana and Southern Ohio were more similar than Southern Indiana and Northern Indiana. |
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| ▲ | stockresearcher 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | King George’s royal proclamation of 1763 established the “Indian Reserve” covering most of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota. European colonists were prohibited from trespassing - only a small number of British military outposts were allowed. Just a short time before the revolution, it got organized as part of Quebec. Early in the revolution, it was taken by the colonists who declared it “Illinois County, Virginia” and allowed people to stream in and claim their homesteads (Note that the northern part was claimed by Connecticut as their own “Western Reserve”). Essentially all of southern Ohio, Indiana and Illinois was settled by people crossing the river from Kentucky, so it makes a lot of sense that you’d think that the southern parts of all these states seem more similar to each other than they are to their northern neighbors. The next section north seems to have been mostly dominated by folks from the mid-Atlantic - Virginia, etc. And further north dominated by people that arrived on sailing ships, especially from New York. New Buffalo Michigan refers to Buffalo New York ;) Anyway, it seems kind of weird that these states seem geographically oriented north-south but culturally oriented east-west. But the fact that they were depopulated (of Europeans) and then repopulated (by Europeans) gives an explanation of that, especially with the transportation available at the time of repopulation (of Europeans). | |
| ▲ | 827a an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | As someone who grew up in northern Indiana; 100%. Northern and middle-Indiana are pretty culturally identical, alongside southern Michigan, most of illinois, western Ohio, then extending further into e.g. southern Wisconsin and Iowa. But southern Indiana is very different. Definitely more similar to Kentucky & Cincinatti-area southern Ohio. You start to get "twangs" of Southern Americana as you approach the Ohio River Valley, which are basically non-existent in northern Indiana. Something about the air is different. The biggest cultural shock people not from the midwest, and even people from the midwest, often experience about the area is IME northern mainland/non-UP Michigan. Its a truly unique region that is dissimilar to almost anywhere else I've visited; like mixing the cultures of the New England coast with rural farms. |
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| ▲ | aquova 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hey now, at least the NFL agrees with them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_South |
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| ▲ | panzagl 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Scots-Irish migration. |