| ▲ | Aurornis 9 hours ago |
| > The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world I have to use Mac, Linux, and Windows desktops in my work. They all have their pros and cons, but I can’t say I’d ever argue that the Mac desktop experience is vastly inferior to the Linux desktop experience. Edit: Getting a lot of downvotes but most of the comments are about someone’s highly customized Linux desktop compared to completely vanilla Mac desktop. I’m referring to apples to apples comparison where they’re either some standard out of the box version or when customized with available tools and mods. Comparing your highly customized Linux desktop to a completely uncustomized Mac setup with no attempt at other tools or utilities isn’t an interesting comparison because it’s not apples to apples, it’s just a statement about your current preference. |
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| ▲ | dmm 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| On a Mac, you can switch between apps with Command-Tab or windows of the same app with Command-` but there's no way to cycle between all windows or bounce between to two most recently used windows. Maybe this used to make sense when apps were single purpose but I do basically everything in a web browser or a terminal so not being able to bounce between the previously selected window(of whatever kind), as I can with Alt-Tab on linux or windows, is frustrating. Also Command-` switches to the next window, not the previous one like I would expect. MacOS removed subpixel antialiasing, honestly for understandable reasons, making rendering on low-ppi displays blurry, but high-ppi displays are still super expensive. I got a 32" 4k monitor(~140ppi) at Costco for $250. A >200ppi display of the same size costs 20x that amount. |
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| ▲ | baq an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Betterdisplay is $20 or so and solves the ppi problem for the most part. It’s the dumbest thing apple has ever done and hats off to betterdisplay dev. Best money ever spent on a desktop tool easily. | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For web apps, spinning them into “installed” apps (doable in both Chrome and Safari now) is the move. This unclogs your tab bar, gets rid of the pointless persistent browser chrome, and gives you the benefit of OS task management capabilities. You can add Shift to both Command-Tab and Command-` to move in the reverse direction. | | |
| ▲ | nehal3m an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Also I find the default Command-` to be unintuitive, especially on non-US keyboards (` is next to left Shift for me). I remapped Command-` to Option-Tab so you only have to move your thumb. | |
| ▲ | boredtofears 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Woah, I did not know about this installable web app feature - this is a game changer. Thanks for sharing. |
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| ▲ | acc348 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 32" 6K monitor from ASUS costs $1400, 27" 5K Dahua monitor is $500, it's not $250, but we are slowly getting there ... | | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I do basically everything in a web browser Then you are deliberately handicapping yourself, this isn't something you can blame on the OS. It's like complaining that a car has bad fuel economy because you always stay in first gear. As for the displays, you are comparing apples to oranges. You can get a high DPI monitor which is smaller than 32 inches for cheap. Which is plenty of screen for the distances where DPI differences are important. | | |
| ▲ | atahanacar 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Then you are deliberately handicapping yourself, this isn't something you can blame on the OS. The classic "You're holding it wrong" defense. Especially when the alternatives don't have this problem. |
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| ▲ | coldpie 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Man just give me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows using a keyboard shortcut (without requiring some janky 3rd party program). Windows-style alt-tab. It's not a big ask and would make the macOS experience go from "barely usable" to "perfectly fine." |
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| ▲ | WillAdams 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Does Command tab not do this? It brings up a list of applications in most recently to least recently used order, so two apps switched to/from will constantly switch places. |
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| ▲ | cardanome 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you a gnome user? Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. Or well anything else, you are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. There is the perfect one for everyone. At least if you use X11, wayland is still a turd. I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. You need a metric ton of third-party extensions for simple stuff like proper alt-tab support or custom shortcuts. An configuration is supper limited. And it will get so much worse with the whole glasses ui thing. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. This is one of my go-tos when I need a VM, so I’m familiar. > I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? This is the hyperbole that I can’t really take seriously. Calling it “absolutely unusable” just isn’t something I can take seriously. I understand that some people like to customize their environments to the Nth degree and can’t live without their personal set of customizations, but that’s personal preferences. Calling other platforms “absolutely unusable” or “vastly inferior” is just an exaggeration when millions of devs use them just fine. | | |
| ▲ | lynndotpy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Your assumption that these Linux setups are "extremely customized" is wrong. Personally, I hate configuring or customizing much at all. The appeal of Linux is that there are distros that come configured out-of-the-box pretty much as I like it, whereas MacOS and especially Windows requires configuration and constant upkeep and maintenance. (MacOS doesn't even come with a decent terminal, for starters.) For me, my main problem with MacOS is that it's full of looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong animations that you can not disable or remove. Disabling animations (or setting them to be <10ms long) is one of the few configurations I like to do. But this is not even an option on Apple's operating systems. It's like running through molasses in a dream-- it's so damnedly and artificially slow. | | |
| ▲ | torstenvl 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What makes you say it isn't an option? defaults write com.apple.finder DisableAllAnimations -bool true | | |
| ▲ | lynndotpy an hour ago | parent [-] | | Because there is no option to disable all animations. Despite the name, that doesn't disable all animations. (In fact, I couldn't even find an animation that does remove.) | | |
| ▲ | torstenvl an hour ago | parent [-] | | You also haven't named a single animation you find bothersome. You're just vague-trolling. |
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| ▲ | cardanome 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? My Linux Mint installation is actually barely customized. It absolutely works out of the box. I disabled a few animations and selected a different theme and added like three extra shortcuts but that is it. Nothing that would take more than ten minutes. I was comparing the vanilla experience. And yes, I should have specified that I am talking about my needs. I totally believe that the Mac Desktop might be better for the average user but that is no me. |
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| ▲ | Klonoar 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Other OS’s handling of “alt-tab” does not make it de facto “proper”. You are trying to use macOS like your other favorite OS(s). This is not how macOS has ever worked, and the macOS approach is more than fine for millions of people. | | |
| ▲ | cardanome 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I doesn't matter if it is fine for millions of people if it isn't fine for me. | | |
| ▲ | Klonoar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | None of that matters when it was your poor description being corrected. |
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| ▲ | dsego 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > You are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. That is both a pro and a con. For someone offering tech support or writing documentation it's a pretty big negative. | |
| ▲ | jebarker 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > as it comes out of the box This doesn’t seem like a fair way to evaluate MacOS given the effort involved in configuring a Linux installation |
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| ▲ | yauneyz 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Depends how you configure it. If you like things like tiling window managers and keyboard driven computing, Linux is in a category of its own. |
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| ▲ | presbyterian 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are a dozen or more options for tiling systems and keyboard-driven computing on macOS. Personally, one of the reasons I use macOS over Linux is because I find it easier to create custom keyboard commands and shortcuts. It’s all doable on Linux, sure, but on macOS there are several apps that make it easy. |
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| ▲ | dheera 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The point is that Linux allows you to customize it to your liking, almost infinitely. There is almost nothing you cannot do. People are comparing them to vanilla Mac setups because Macs don't really let you have a non-vanilla experience. |
