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baq 2 days ago

CEO of a silicon company saying his business is "too late for AI" is a CEO either without a vision or guts, an accountant, the safe option. If it's anywhere close to true, Intel is looking to sell itself for parts.

BeetleB 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's a whole backstory to this.

When he joined only a few months ago, he set the vision of making Intel a worthy participant in the AI space.

Then just a few months later, he announced "we cannot compete".

What happened in the middle? Recent articles came out about the conflict between him and Frank Yeary, the head of the Intel board. He wanted to acquire a hot AI startup, and Frank opposed it. Two factions were formed in the Board, and they lost a lot of time battling it out. While this was going on, a FAANG came in and bought the startup.

I think his announcement that Intel cannot compete was his way of saying "I cannot do it with the current Intel board."

horsawlarway 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Feels like a fair statement.

My read is basically that Intel's board is frustrated they can't part the company out, take their cash, and go home.

I'd also be incredibly frustrated working with a board that seems deadset on actively sabotaging the company for short term gains.

Scramblejams 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What startup was it?

BeetleB 2 days ago | parent [-]

The news articles didn't name it.

panick21_ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Intel has bought and destroyed a large number of startup already. Not sure that is the solution.

downrightmike 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What happened is they fired tens of thousands of their workforce. They knee-capped themselves. Having people with experience and institutional knowledge is required. You can't just toss that out the windows and expect things to work.

BeetleB 2 days ago | parent [-]

By any measure, Intel was bloated. All their competitors are doing a lot more with a lot fewer people.

Now whether they fired the right tens of thousands is another matter.

snerbles 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> All their competitors are doing a lot more with a lot fewer people.

According to Wikipedia, for FY25:

Intel: 102,000 employees

AMD: 28,000 employees

Nvidia: 36,000 employees

I'm pretty sure the latter two have been growing headcount lately, and even then combined they still have fewer employees than Intel.

AnotherGoodName 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

You need to add tsmcs employees to the amd and nvidia counts since intel is a foundry. +82k puts it around equal.

Now intel isn’t doing as well on the chip design side as amd or nvidia nor as well on the fab side as tsmc but i suspect that’s on leadership thrashing constantly like it is more than anything else.

BeetleB 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, but TSMC does a ton more volume than Intel's fabs.

tester756 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Intel (100k +-) should be compared with AMD (28k) + TSMC (84k)

nomel a day ago | parent [-]

Intel also uses TSMC [1] for ARC, since they can't compete. So, you need to add some large fraction of TSMC to intel, also.

[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/intel-will-keep-u...

HPsquared 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Both statements can be true.

tester756 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real quote is:

>"On training, I think it is too late for us,"

Not too late for AI, but too late for training meanwhile there's inference opportunity or something like that

freedomben 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed, either their business situation is far more critical than we know, this is a gross indictment of their R&D, or this is malpractice on the part of the leadership

aDyslecticCrow 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too late for the AI boom if they have to spend another 2 years and manufacturing investments to get a product out for the segment. We are over-inflated on AI hype. Its relevance will remain but betting a company on it isn't a wise idea.

checker659 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> of a silicon company

With their own fabs, at that

h2zizzle 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or, a sly way of calling the AI bubble.

moralestapia 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, but if it's true and there's a better strategy, why wouldn't he do it?

Seems like you'd prefer yet another +1 selling AI oil and promises ...