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h4ch1 3 days ago

Waiter waiter, more core applications using Electron!

Just needed these two reasons to not even try it out.

* Google Analytics on by default

* >100mb download

For a native terminal I'll happily use kitty or ghostty

For a SSH client Zoc (https://www.emtec.com/zoc/) hasn't disappointed me yet, and even then I almost just always ssh through my terminal.

ramon156 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Do people still use alacrity? It still feels like the most sane choice, although kitty and ghostty's rendering seems more robust. I guess I'll need to give them a go sometime

h4ch1 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Last I personally used Alacritty was 3-4 years back on Linux w/ wayland got some weird rendering bugs, switched to st (https://st.suckless.org/) for a good while.

When I got a Macbook last year, I did a "best terminal macos" search and evaluated multiple terminals; kitty, ghostty, iterm2 and wezterm.

settled on ghostty because it just felt faster for terminal refreshes when I use vite, had tabs, could easily theme it to use ayu-dark. Nothing too extreme, just personal reasons

iterm2 was fine as well, nothing special; wezterm and kitty just felt like linux apps that were on macos as well. YMMV.

scabel 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use alacritty. I tried ghostty but not supported on my old home mac, felt slower, and some of the config was not robust. Same with Wezterm, felt slow. Alacritty has worked with no problem everywhere I installed it. Only annoyance was once when the config changed from yaml to toml. Other than that, happy user of alacritty.

exq 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still do. It's faster than Kitty and Ghostty, and I don't make use of the extra features those provide. I don't use glyphs nor rendered images, and I use a tiling WM so tabs aren't that important to me. Alacritty does what I need it to, and does it well.

mwcz 2 days ago | parent [-]

That's exactly my experience. I dislike ligatures (I want to see the characters I typed) and tiling/tabs are anti-features if you have a tiling WM.

k_bx 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Been driving my use for the last year or so, perfect as a thin wrapper around tmux (which is the same on macOS and Linux).

I'll give iTerm2 another try, has many shiny features like touchID-sudo and such, otherwise don't understand what could possibly be better in ghostty/kitty

mwcz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been using alacritty for ... I don't know, but many years, and haven't once been tempted to switch away.

GuinansEyebrows 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

chiming in as another alacritty (linux) user. kitty never seemed to be much of an improvement for my own workflows, and on my mac, ironically enough, ghostty was having issues with escape sequences when using the terraform CLI, so i stopped using it there.

alarcarittykg 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely, been using it for years and it's one of the upgrades that has genuinely made every day noticeably better

gausswho 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did for several years but moved on to foot due to minor Wayland quirks I don't even remember.

kubafu 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Happy alacritty user here (Wayland + sway)!

dfc 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't understand what an ssh client does that is useful as a separate thing from your terminal of choice and openssh. Why wouldn't you always just ssh through your terminal?

h4ch1 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Can't comment for others but for me I find zoc or in that regard, a SSH client useful for the following

1. Remembering multiple hostnames and keys in a centralized location

I manage a fleet of VPSs, whose hostnames, credentials I don't always remember off the top of my head. Writing ssh -i <identity> <hostname> gets tedious when I'm wrangling multiple of them over a single session

2. Faithful terminal emulation

Zoc does a great job at emulating a plethora of terminals; it's not a do or die feature, but nice to have.

3. Separation of concerns

This is a personal reason, but I like having two different applications while I am doing something that needs me to SSH to multiple VPSs, my main terminal will have local commands, local file editing, etc while my SSH client will only be used for remote connections and management. Just helps me keep things tidy for myself.

Also as I mentioned in the parent I primarily use my main terminal to SSH; but for the cases mentioned it's nice to use a separate client.

l1ng0 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have your use-case, but I use the `.ssh/config` to give aliases (Host/Hostname) to my remote machines and can set the identity to use there (IdentityFile).

skydhash 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> 1. Remembering multiple hostnames and keys in a centralized location

There’s ssh_config(5) for that.

gausswho 3 days ago | parent [-]

This may be tinfoil, but this is the kinda configuration that I want version controlled, and I've never felt good about adding ~/.ssh/config (or anything within ~/.ssh) to my dotfiles because I definitely do not want its siblings in version control. And I don't trust myself not to bone myself.

Instead I have some files elsewhere that I source into my terminal on start, containing:

export M4MINI=192.168.1.204

Attrecomet 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can use "Include file/location" in your ~/ssh/config.

I don't understand, though, why you would not want to init a git repo in ~/ssh? What am I missing? It's not like "having version control" is the same as "upload it".

bravetraveler 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm pretty sure SSH wouldn't mind the config being a symlink to a file in your safely-held-elsewhere repository. Maybe I'm wrong. (m)DNS is what I'd really go for if I'm really just looking for easy access to names.

I wouldn't worry, but I also have the habit of adding things to the index explicitly. If I did worry: gitignore.

Attrecomet 13 hours ago | parent [-]

In fact, the symlink thing is exactly how we distribute the common ssh config as an included file within the team. The config is part of the infrastructure repo, and everyone gets a current version whenever they pull afresh.

I'm also not sure why version control on ssh config should be a problem, unless previous poster confuses version control and "send everything to the cloud".

Yizahi 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

To see a clear and categorized list of saved sessions, for example I have 300 different saved sessions and that's not even a tenth of the hardware we have. They are categorized, so I can quickily find a specific one I need and connect to it in one click. This also mean that I can see what sessions I do not have saves and immediately go to a page with all information. Telnet sessions also live there, seamlessly. And finally I can have saved arbitrary commands, different per each session for the quick use. Especially useful with inane kilometer long k8s commands.

alerighi 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What I like about Tabby is the fact that it has also options to connect to serial ports.

I know that is not something useful to everyone, but working in an embedded using serial ports is something I do everyday. And I know there is Putty or Kitty or Teraterm or another serial connection tools, but most of them are either only for Windows, and don't allow all the options that I need (e.g. option to enable local line editing with history).

The fact that it uses Electron... whatever, we are still full of Electron applications anyway, it's not an issue to me, I have enough RAM.

I've jet to find something replacement that either has all the features of tabby (including support for connecting to serial ports) I would be happy to switch.

tliltocatl 2 days ago | parent [-]

Just use picocom in any terminal you like: https://github.com/npat-efault/picocom (unmaintained, but works fine and there is a ng fork: https://picocom-ng.oddbit.com/). Or minicom or screen, but those are more bloated.

There is little reason for SSH client to be integrated into a terminal emulator. Admittedly, my favorite kitty has a wrapper around OpenSSH, to fix terminfo and stuff, but it doesn't tries to re-implement the protocol. There is even less reason for serial port terminal to be a part of a terminal emulator - serial port terminal simply sets baudrate, remaps some control characters and gives you an escape key, it is not connected to rendering in any way.

swah 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The "native input editing" on Warp did spoil me though. The block feature is also super nice. Especially in the days of copying and pasting from AI tools.

I tested all others (wezterm, ghostty, kitty, rio..) but this comfort trumps the speed or minimalism for me.

Just want a Warp without any AI. (Just checked and the main toggle was enabled, will try to disable it again)

tempodox 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, how many of the required NPM packages will be compromised?

naikrovek 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

it is extremely weird to me that someone would write something like this in javascript. it is very, very wrong, to me. like ... "you need your head examined" wrong.

That will be an unpopular opinion on this site, I know. Javascript is so slow, so bloated, and so far from the CPU that it is almost like building a railroad bridge using plastic. Could you build a railroad bridge out of plastic? yeah I'm sure that could be done. Is plastic the best material for this application? Not in the slightest. Javascript is not the right tool for anything outside of the browser, to me.

But, it's 2025 and plastic is everywhere, even inside our brains, so what do I know?