Innovation is not really measured in terms of how well something "scales down".

KronisLV 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

See: multi MB downloads to display a few forms in a browser. Software that can’t work well with literal GBs of memory (some of it being a full browser runtime for some desktop forms). Games that run bad thanks to UE5 coming preloaded with footguns that ensure almost every developer will ship games that run poorly. Operating systems that run worse than a decade ago for even the parts that are functionally the same (e.g. a file explorer or start menu).

I sure love the smell of Wirth’s law in the morning - smells like my PC melting.

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Banou 10 hours ago | parent [-]

React in itself isn't that heavy, and things like preact exists if you want an even lighter library, it's mostly other dependencies that are heavy, so the blame is mostly on the side of the devs, not react, for having heavy and clunky software.

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tcfhgj 8 hours ago | parent [-]

https://krausest.github.io/js-framework-benchmark/current.ht...

Select all angular, leptos, vue, solid and react variants -> react literally is consistently the slowest

	▲	Banou 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Good thing that 99% websites don't need to modify 1k dom elements every seconds then, if you do using a DOM library isn't the right choice. My comment was about size library, in response to the parent comment about MBs of js. I'd gladly take a 10ms slower update on 1k rows(that practically never happens, ever heard of virtual lists?) for a maintainable codebase any day.

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balamatom 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. Innovation used to measured in gigaquacks. A decade ago.

With the process improvements of 2025, if it doesn't take you an innovation pool of at least 16 petaquacks to display a webpage, are you even trying?

Anyone else up downscaling their innovation?

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sixtyj 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I love boring stack. No nodejs and its dependence hell, no compilation, no frameworks that need reading encyclopedia to make a simple form :)

PHP or blazing fast PHP-fpm, MySQL/MariaDB or Postgres, json for config, jQuery… it is good enough for most cases.

For Netflix, Spotify, Facebook, Waze, and other heavily used sites with millions users… it is a different game.

	▲	balamatom 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Node.js is boring stack for me. But instead I am asked to work with tools from the wet nightmares of React developers. Stuff that runs in Node - yet is designed as if Node, the DOM, or the OS, didn't exist. Now that's never boring. They can't even consider that everything might work better without their favorite tool, than with it. It's surreal. And awful.