| ▲ | fouronnes3 a day ago |
| If you consider the fact that only half of Earth is experiencing summer while the other half is experiencing winter, there's an obvious madlad solution to instead of storing power, transfer it from the summer hemisphere solar panels to the winter hemisphere electric heaters, somehow. |
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| ▲ | parsimo2010 a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| If you also consider half the Earth is experiencing day, while the other half is experiencing night, there's another benefit to transferring the power East/West as well as North/Sourth. Perhaps by doing both, we could create some kind of "power grid"... That's just me being snarky, but we've been scaling towards this for decades, we just haven't fully gotten there. We can probably solve the technical problems, it seems the main issue to building a fully-connected worldwide power grid is that the cost of scaling that much isn't worth it (yet). |
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| ▲ | graemep a day ago | parent [-] | | It would be extremely expensive and also risky. One of the problems with our reliance on oil is that so much comes from an unstable part of the world (although the oil itself contributes to the instability). Cables under the ocean can be cut by anyone who can get to them with a submarine. You would be look at cable literally going around the world - at least a good proportion of half way round to be useful. They will be vulnerable one way or another at some point. Then there is reliability. There have been some fairly bad failures of national power grids. A failure in a global grid would be a lot worse. |
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| ▲ | k__ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Might be easier to use satellites to send the sun to the other hemisphere |
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| ▲ | lysace a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They currently most efficent method is called HVDC and it's not really efficient enough to be anyhing resembling economic at those distances. Ohm's law is a thing. Edit: I again made the mistake to comment on a thread dealing with energy x politics. Sorry, I'll try not to do that again. I'm out. It's feral. |
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| ▲ | bob1029 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | HVDC is actually incredibly efficient over long distances. The conversion losses typically dominate. The trick is the "HV" part. China is already running 1100kv on some of their HVDC lines. Transmission losses decrease with the square of voltage, so any increment from that point would be very substantial. | |
| ▲ | cycomanic 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > They currently most efficent method is called HVDC and it's not really efficient enough to be anyhing resembling economic at those distances. Ohm's law is a thing.
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> Edit: I again made the mistake to comment on a thread dealing with energy x politics. Sorry, I'll try not to do that again. I'm out. It's feral. I didn't see any feral responses? Did you not like the ones that pointed out that losses over 800km are <3%, and so your assertion that Ohmic losses are the issue is essentially wrong? | | |
| ▲ | abhinavk 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | The only feral-like response here is the OP's follow-up "Bullshit..." itself. |
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| ▲ | cinntaile a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | UHVDC is 2.6% loss per 800km so after 8000km you have 76.8% left. That's not too bad. Although I obviously don't know what distances you had in mind. | | |
| ▲ | lysace 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Bullshit. What voltage is UHVDC at those numbers? Who is supplying the equipment? Where are the demo installations? What's the cost? Again, the goal is economic very long distance transfer of electric power. Not a Chinese university research project. | | |
| ▲ | cinntaile 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't get why you're feeling so attacked? I'm just citing the numbers. UHVDC is defined as >=800kV > "HVDC transmission has typically 30-50% less transmission loss than comparable
alternating current overhead lines. (For comparison: given 2500 MW
transmitted power on 800 km of overhead line, the loss with a conventional
400-kv AC line is 9.4%; with HVDC transmission at 500 kV, it is only 6%, and at
800 kV it is just 2.6%.)" [1] There are quite a few of UHVDC lines in China, not much in the rest of the world. [0] I don't know what they cost, but maybe you can estimate it based on what they decided to invest over a 10y period. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-voltage_electricity... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20180730045905/https://www.sieme... | | |
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| ▲ | Aachen a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What is "not efficient enough"? As a first guess, one would think it makes more sense to eat 30% loss (so you need 1/0.7=143% installed capacity) than to need 200% capacity plus batteries since it's night about half the time on average. And afaik HVDC is more on the order of ~15% loss | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus a day ago | parent [-] | | Aside from the physics, HVDC doesn't compete successfully on cost. It's cheaper to overbuild PV and use batteries. | | |
| ▲ | Aachen a day ago | parent [-] | | ... aside from the physics? What factors into this cost calculation other than the physics of solar panels, batteries, and cables? | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus a day ago | parent [-] | | Infrastructure (heck, just the conversion points alone are a huge part of the cost), but also regulatory hurdles like getting rights-of-way. Running an HVDC line is quite expensive; last time I saw the numbers crunched, it was basically impossible to make it work financially, no matter how efficient the lines were. |
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