| Strcat gets harassed based on frivolties, manufactured outrage. There have been repeated accusations of mental health issues without any substantive evidence, including from the person I was just replying to. The evidence they do give is usually of the developer expressing frustration at dealing with those accusations, which is ironic given that those accusations are self evidently true given that the people making those posts are usually accusing them! All I see in Rossman's video is someone frustrated by a influential person giving a platform to an organisation that, to be frank, has shown themselves to be considerably less trustworthy than GrapheneOS. I believe strcat has been the target of harassment, I believe them because I've seen it happen and given the sensitive nature of GrapheneOS I also think it's not terribly unlikely there was an organized disinfo effort. That I've seen "This is informative and unfortunate." come up over and over again as if it were some mantra, I guess is sorta telling. People aren't thinking for themselves, they're just uncritically absorbing the opinions of the charming people they're watching on youtube. |
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| ▲ | cjonas 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Idk anything about this drama, but "frustrated" is generous interpretation. Dude left an comment on a YouTube video and the guy freaked out on him. Seems like exactly the type of behavior he's claiming isn't real. I just want to know the OS I'm installing on my phone isn't at the whims of anyone who could pull a "colours/faker" stunt. But hopefully the project has governance and control that no single person could that that anyways (otherwise it'd be hard to calm it's a "secure" alternative) | | |
| ▲ | other8026 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The basic thing is that the developer had been swatted multiple times right before that video. Swatted by a fan of the YouTubers who made the video that Louis commented on. But the targeted update thing isn't even possible on GrapheneOS. The update server is basically a basic web server. The updates are stored on the servers and the update client downloads them. All update files follow the same naming system and the update client downloads updates using that system. The update client never sends any IDs either. So if GrapheneOS can't get unique IDs, then how can targeting be done? It's just not possible. | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you don't know anything about the "drama" then maybe you should avoid jumping to conclusions. | | |
| ▲ | ruszki 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think that you need to know anything about the drama to know that there is no context in which responses showed in the video are fine. Did strcat apologise for it? I don’t understand these GitHub links either. None of them which I’ve seen bad at all. I don’t understand the one with strcat’s post history either. The comments which are one the first two pages are completely fine. | | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Rossman was complicit in harassment, harassment (particularly at this scale, driven by their significant viewer base) that would be harmful to literally anyone who would be the target of it. strcat was upset, understandably, and privately communicated that to Rossman who then proceeds to cynically turn it into something to generate more views for his channel. Apologise for what? | | |
| ▲ | ruszki 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Once again, there is no context in which strcat’s comments to Rossman would be fine which are in the video in full. Repeating a context won’t change this. Even if the main points of strcat is fine, their style was really, really bad, without the possibility of excuse. They got plenty of options for excuse during the conversation, they clearly didn’t use them. The whole conversation just seemingly proved the point of “harassments”. So I assume they didn’t apologise. Stupidly, further proving the points of “harassments”, which I can imagine exist and probably disproportional, they were just stupid enough to give data points to support them more. For no good reason. | | |
| ▲ | strcat a day ago | parent [-] | | The video you're referencing very clearly exists for the purpose of directing harassment towards me based on fabrications and spin as part of Rossmann's bullying towards me. Nearly all of the claims he makes in the video are lies of misrepresentations, including even the title. You're supporting someone who very openly engages in libel and bullying towards me while he was actively publicly using and catering to Kiwi Farms. The content is very clearly aimed at that kind of audience and to make the harassment much worse, which it did, and Rossmann continued to double down on that. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45255341. | | |
| ▲ | ruszki a day ago | parent [-] | | I reflected only on the comments which you sent to Rossmann; you don’t deny that you sent those AFAIK. I purposefully ignored everything what Rossmann said. As I said, even if you’re right, those comments were mistakes. |
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| ▲ | strcat a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a fabricated story which you're taking at face value. What Rossmann claims to have been said to him was not said to him. He deliberately misrepresents what was said and the context of him engaging in many months of public and private bullying leading up to it. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45255341. |
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| ▲ | strcat a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Dude left an comment on a YouTube video and the guy freaked out on him. No, that's part of Rossmann's heavily fabricated story about what happened. The reality is that Rossmann's live stream and video very clearly aimed at directing harassment towards me with spin and fabrications were only a further escalation of his ongoing bullying towards me. His video is self-evidently dishonest bullying and harassment. Even the video title was a lie disproven by his own followers catching him continuing to use GrapheneOS as a daily driver with his important apps and data for many months afterwards. He did eventually move away from it, potentially multiple years later, but his claim to have deleted it was a lie, as were his claims of being scared of us replying to his attacks or targeting him with an update. It was utter nonsense to justify engaging in a massively escalated form of bullying using his community as a weapon to cause harm to someone and try to destroy their life. Rossmann actively uses Kiwi Farms with a verified account and was very clearly catering to them. He actively seeks their friendship and respect in a thread he was actively using before and after posting the video. He's friendly with the person who posted the harassment and doxxing thread clearly aimed at causing physical harm to me and further propagating fabricated stories/claims about me. Rossmann continued to post jabs towards me and complaints about us on Kiwi Farms following that thread being posted which has acted as a regular reminder to them to keep targeting us. He continues to actively post there and engage with serial harassers. |
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| ▲ | joemazerino 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Unsubstantiated? Have you looked at his post history? https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=strcat | | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's kind of funny that you're doing the exact same thing the person I initially responded to was doing, making a broad accusation and posting a link as evidence without specifying what it is within that link that you have a problem with. Grow a backbone and actually pull a quote that you feel is relevant. | | |
| ▲ | strcat a day ago | parent | next [-] | | joemazerino very frequently makes inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS and has been participating in bullying towards me for years. He has repeatedly lied about me and pushed fabricated stories. You're not going to find anything in my post history to back up his claims that I'm insane or delusional. If you look through his comment history, you'll find a lot of evidence that he has an unhealthy obsession with me and is blatantly engaging in bullying. It's something Hacker News should be addressing as a moderation issue. It should not be permitted to engage in blatant bullying and harassment on this platform including repeatedly claiming an open source developer is insane. | |
| ▲ | joemazerino a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Convinced yet? | | |
| ▲ | ignoramous 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Convincing or not, given strcat (Daniel) is very vocal that you stop (what they sincerely feels is) harrasment, should be an indication enough that you do. |
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