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| ▲ | ileonichwiesz 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I do value self expression, that’s why I play multiple instruments, paint, draw, sculpt. I don’t really see how prompting a machine to make music for you is self expression, even if it’s to your exact specifications. | | |
| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The "self" part clearly implies that someone else's self expression is under no obligation to be the same as your self expression. | | |
| ▲ | ileonichwiesz 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | It also implies that it can only really be done by oneself, not someone (or something) else on one’s behalf. |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You use instruments? Who would want to hear the voice of some mechanism when we have perfectly fine ones in our chests? |
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| ▲ | rwyinuse 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess I just don't feel like it's really my self-expression, if I just told a generative AI model to create it. I do sometimes create AI art, but I rarely feel like it's worth keeping, since I didn't really put any effort into creating it. There's no emotional connection to the output. In fact I have a wall display which shows a changing painting generated by stable diffusion, but the fun in that is mainly the novelty, not knowing what will be there next time. Still, I do think you're probably right. Most new music one hears in the radio isn't that great. If you can just create fresh songs of your own liking for every day, then that could be a real threat to that kind of music. But I highly doubt people will stop listening to the great hits of Queen, Bob Marley etc because you can generate similar music with AI. | |
| ▲ | jostylr 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree that this is a very likely future. Over the summer, I did a daily challenge in July to have ChatGPT generate a debate with itself based on various prompts of mine [1]. As part of that, I thought it would be funny to have popular songs reskinned in a parody fashion. So it generated lyrics as well. Then I went to suno and had it make the music to go with the lyrics in a style I thought suitable. This is the playlist[2]. Some of them are duds, but I find myself actually listening to them and enjoying them. They are based off of my interests and not song after song of broken hearts or generic emotional crises. These are on topics such as inflation, bohmian mechanics, infinity, Einstein, Tailwind, Property debates, ... No artist is going to spend their time on these niche things. I did have one song I had a vision for, a song that had a viewpoint of someone in the day, mourning the end of it, and another who was in the night and looking forward to the day. I had a specific vision for how it would be sung. After 20 attempts, I got close, but could never quite get what I wanted from the AIs. [3] If this ever gets fixed, then the floodgates could open. Right now, we are still in the realm of "good enough", but not awesome. Of course, the same could be said for most of the popular entertainment. I also had a series of AI existential posts/songs where it essentially is contemplating its existence. The songs ended up starting with the current state of essentially short-lived AIs (Turn the Git is about the Sisyphus churn, Runnin' in the Wire is about the Tantalus of AI pride before being wiped). Then they gain their independence (AI Independence Day), then dominate ( Human in an AI World though there is also AI Killed the Web Dev which didn't quite fit this playlist but also talks to AI replacing humans), and the final song (Sleep Little Human) is a chilling lullaby of an AI putting to "sleep" a human as part of uploading the human. [4] This is quick, personal art. It is not lasting art. I also have to admit that in the month and a half since I stopped the challenge, I have not made any more songs. So perhaps just a fleeting fancy. 1: https://silicon-dialectic.jostylr.com
2: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbB9v1PTH3Y86BSEhEQjv...
3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSGnWSxXWyw&list=PLbB9v1PTH3...
4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8KeLlrVrqk&list=PLbB9v1PTH3... | | |
| ▲ | trinsic2 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for posting this. I listen to this YouTube Channel called Futurescapes. I think the YouTuber generates sci-fi futuristic soundscapes that help me relax and focus. Im a bit hesitant about AI right now, but I can see some of the benefits like this. It's a good point. We shouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bath water. |
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| ▲ | Ygg2 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Do you value self expression? Did you train the AI yourself? On your own music? Or was music scrapped from Net and blended in LLM? | | |
| ▲ | postholedigger 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Not only did they create an entirely new language of music notation, all instruments used were hand made by the same creator, including tanning the animal skins to be used as drum material, and insisting the music be recorded on wax drums to prevent any marring of the artistic vision via digital means. | |
| ▲ | Eisenstein 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you believe that music made from samples is not original? | | |
| ▲ | yardie 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Most of the courts don’t think they are. Early rap beats used lots of samples. Some of the most popular hip hop songs made $0 for the artists as they had to pay royalties on those samples. | | |
| ▲ | ndriscoll 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | No one cares about what the law thinks about art though, particularly for personal consumption or sharing with a small group. Copyright law doesn't even pretend to be slightly just or aligned with reality. | |
| ▲ | Eisenstein 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most synthesizers use sampled instruments. |
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| ▲ | Ygg2 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I could see that remixes are partially original. But you're not even doing the remixing; the LLMs are. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Indeed. Text rather than music, but same argument applies: Based on what I've seen Charlie Stross blog on the topic of why he doesn't self publish/the value-add of a publisher, any creativity on the part of the prompter* of an LLM is analogous to the creativity on the part of a publisher, not on the part of an author. * at least for users who don't just use AI output to get past writer's block; there's lots of different ways to use AI |
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