| ▲ | api 10 hours ago |
| If you’re buying a home be thorough in the inspection. I’ve known a few people who got screwed. On newer homes you want to look out for shoddy construction. On older homes pay particular attention to water, mold, roofing, and basement and/or foundation issues. You might still buy a house with issues but you need to know what you’re getting into and price in repairs. Unfortunately batshit housing prices coupled with ignorant buyers means that in some markets it might take you a long time to buy if you’re prudent. Push back a little on price and someone else will take it and waive inspection. This isn’t just happening on the West Coast. I live in Cincinnati and have a family member looking and they got front run a few times by buyers purchasing with no inspection at or above asking … on properties they’d visited and that they knew had issues. It’s nuts. |
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| ▲ | antonymoose 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Are there any metros that aren’t fully insane nowadays? When my wife and I tried to upsize in Charleston, we got outcompeted every single time. We had one seller smartly list on a Friday and announce “All offers welcome, we will accept the best offer on Monday.” We overbid by $30k and still lost to a $40k full cash no inspection buyer from out of state. We bid on a few others and quickly gave up and left the area, the carpetbaggers can have it. Luckily I work remote and live in the country near a big college town now, but from what I hear of my coworkers in DC, Nashville, Miami, and Texas… it’s the same everywhere and often even crazier. I have no clue how my children will be able to buy a home at this rate. |
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| ▲ | bob1029 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can name your price in the Houston market right now. The same is likely true for ATX and SA, but I don't have active properties in those markets. The winds shifted about a year ago. Pull up any property in the north Houston area (Conroe, etc) if you really want a punch in the gut relative to your current desired market. | | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Teach them to build their own house. Built one for ~$60k recently, to buy anything comparable on the market in my area is $300k+. The market prices an absolutely insane premium on being the guy that takes the risk to build a house. A good project might be a little cabin that is under the sq ft to need a permit. | |
| ▲ | api 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I had a local around Cincinnati say all the Ohio sucks memes are part of a concerted effort to convince people it's terrible here and they shouldn't come. A friend from Portland said they tried this years ago, telling everyone it did nothing but rain in the Northwest, and it didn't work. Really though... this is a result of three things working in tandem: chronic underbuilding of housing especially in some areas, a prolonged period of low interest rates, and financialization of housing. The underbuilding of housing is driven by both NIMBYism and a particularly bad boom-bust cycle in housing a few years ago that scared off a lot of builders. | | |
| ▲ | stockresearcher 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > all the Ohio sucks memes are part of a concerted effort to convince people it's terrible here and they shouldn't come. This is completely true. Speaking of, I can connect you with a number of long-term Ohio residents who would be willing to execute a sale-leaseback agreement that expires when their youngest kid graduates high school. For a fee, since you’d be getting such a great deal and early access to prime real estate. I can even get you hundreds of acres of prime farmland, if your budget stretches that far. Let me know! |
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| ▲ | xnx 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wish I could leave comments on the property on Zillow about all the structure and area defects. |
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| ▲ | me-vs-cat 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm glad you can't. Unverified comments would be such a nightmare that potential buyers should ignore them while not really being able to (not to mention sellers), while I distrust both the competency and alignment of Zillow or similar to have verified comments that are more beneficial than unverified comments. I would like a way for serious problems to not be covered up, but I believe you're going to need to do this by tying it to a home inspector's license, such as obligating "severe problem" reports to a registry which anyone could query for a fee that would be nominal for any serious potential buyer. Perhaps 0.05% of the property's highest-ever sale price, or $100, whichever is higher? Maybe some of that fee goes to the home inspectors who did the reports, to encourage severe-problem-free reports. Still lots of problems and abuses to mitigate, the least of which is how to define "severe problem", but that has the potential to provide a net benefit, unlike comments on Zillow. I would also not expect buyers to normally avoid their own home inspection by using such a report, it would simply be another fee -- which I dislike -- though as a nearly-instantaneous result, I see a way to structure it to fit after the contingent offer is accepted (or perhaps just before submitting the offer) and before hiring their own inspection. The buyers now have a chance to address their specific concerns about the severe-problem report by what they ask from their inspector. You could provide aggregate statistics on home inspectors to show competency. "Within the past 5 years, Harry the Home Inspector has submitted [X] reports. Of those, [X] were also reported by other inspectors within [12 months] of Harry's reports, and Harry is [in the top third / above average / below average] when ranking for not missing severe problems that were reported by other inspectors." But now you have to track repairs that explain why one inspector didn't report what another did, have some way of vetting severe problems for being correctly reporting (or setup an appeal system...), you have to track the scope of inspections to know if a severe problem would have been expected to have been found, and it continues. From my armchair continuing to think this through, I don't see how to control the complexity on any of this in a feasible way for what would need to be run by a government licensing agency so that society has a net benefit. | | |
| ▲ | xnx 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good points. Would be nice if inspections were public. Something like a Carfax for homes. |
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| ▲ | bob1029 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If this feature/app were viable it would definitely already be a thing. The incredible range of perspectives in real estate makes this kind of feedback even more pointless than amazon product reviews. There are homes that are catastrophic for a family but absolutely perfect for an individual who is doing things like working off shore or remote. Lifestyle is probably the most important factor. | | |
| ▲ | xnx 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | True that everyone's taste differs, but it would be nice to leave a note that says "buried oil tank in yard". It could be a fake comment, but at least the buyers would ask. |
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| ▲ | y-curious 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Me too! But then again, when competition gets worse, you're incentivized to not give free info to your competitors. | |
| ▲ | lostapathy 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Might be an opportunity to make such a site? | | |
| ▲ | me-vs-cat 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wonder if any private entity can provide this with a net benefit. Architects, engineers, and doctors, among many others, have ethical obligations tied to their professional affiliation. I would approach this problem from the same angle with home inspectors. |
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| ▲ | api 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would be flooded by malicious bot comments to try to game the system. | | |
| ▲ | me-vs-cat 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | What is "it"? If you mean comments on Zillow, that's exactly what I was talking about. If you mean a registry tied to a home inspector license, then it sounds like you don't know how those licenses work -- or they aren't required where you live, in which case this wouldn't be an option there. |
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| ▲ | everybodyknows 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > got front run a few times by buyers purchasing with no inspection This is enabled of course by agents whose primary goal is not to get the seller the best price, but to collect their commission percentage, right now, and move on to the next prospect. |
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| ▲ | gottorf 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > got front run a few times by buyers purchasing with no inspection at or above asking Yeah, I observed this in the Boston area during the post-Covid easy money real estate rush. |
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| ▲ | dsr_ 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Two simple changes in the law could fix this. 1. Require an independent home inspection as a condition of every sale, with a penalty of losing the right to live in the largest building after six months. 2. Make the report of every home inspection part of the public record, kept with the deed registry. |
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| ▲ | sokoloff 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As a serial home owner, I don't think this would help the process overall. The home inspection I got on my first home was something like 16 pages of absolute nonsense. "Dishwasher is of unverified age and might fail soon." "Refrigerator is of unverified age and might fail soon." ... "Cosmetic scuffs on cabinets in kitchen." ... and on and on. As a buyer, I don't need you to tell me that an $800 dishwasher or $1200 water heater might fail someday; you might as well tell me that the water coming from the faucets is wet. I want to know about the major systems. That particular inspection was "no ready roof access, so a visual inspection was conducted from the ground with nothing obvious detected; if you're concerned about roof condition, have a roofer come out." No, the roof is one of the very few things I care about from hiring you. Most recent inspection was better, but still included a dozen pages of ticky-tack nonsense that no one should care about. I suspect that makes people feel better that they got their money's worth by someone pointing out that a kitchen floor tile had a visible crack in it, one kitchen light bulb was burned out, and an HVAC filter was overdue for changing, but that crap doesn't even need to be in the report let alone become a permanent part of the registered record of the property, nor should it be forced as part of the purchase process. Requiring it as part of every transaction would be a massive giveaway to the home inspection industry. Adults are capable of making adult decisions, and if they want an inspection as part of the decision, they can choose to get one. Likewise, sellers can choose to go with the buyer who best fits their circumstances. | |
| ▲ | dawnerd 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also needs to have state set requirements first what counts as an inspection as companies like lenar set their own rules about what can be inspected. | |
| ▲ | mindslight 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do you envision this helping? There are limits to home inspections, and many types of defects you're just not going to see. For example, that leaking water line causing a brown spot on the wall that reappeared after a week could be slightly slower (or in a drier season) and only appear after a few months. Many problems take time to manifest as symptoms, and especially with a newly constructed home there just hasn't been enough time. (also why code inspectors check at separate stages of progress, while many more problems can be visible without having to open walls) Furthermore, home inspectors don't actually have any skin in the game. They're not giving you any kind of representation or warranty, but rather more of a quick look from the perspective of someone who knows how houses are built and have a list of common problems to look for. And they can certainly succumb to the same type of normalization of deviance going on with the contractors in this article. That's not even getting into the types of ongoing scams I've heard of where builders/sellers do things like "seal" the attic access door for "energy efficiency" reasons, and then assert that home inspectors cannot inspect the attic (eg the roof!) because opening the door would be causing damage. Or that a seller can easily cover up many types of problems a home inspector would notice, it's just generally illegal. I'd say the real problems here are the high pressure sales funnel, and the complete lack of legal accountability. Forced arbitration and other onerous terms should be illegal. Heck if we're talking about a professional developer with an inventory, liquidated damages themselves should mostly be illegal. And newly built homes should have mandatory warranty periods longer than a year, probably at least 5 years, culminating with an independent inspector at the end to help notice any still-developing problems. Then, claims for defects shouldn't be going directly to the builder who's strongly incentivized to trickle it down to some disempowered guy in a van, claiming to have solved the problem with whatever he had on hand. Rather the homeowner should be able to choose any contractor to fix the problem and file a claim on the builder's insurance - just as if it was home insurance claim, with a different responsible party. | |
| ▲ | Chris2048 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In my country, an inspection is required for the mortgage lender, is this not also the case for the US? | | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | An appraisal is required, to ensure the property is worth enough that the lender will be OK in the event of a foreclosure. I've never had an inspection requirement as part of purchase initial financing nor as part of a refinancing. | | |
| ▲ | Chris2048 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had a survey, and a valuation. The survey looked for signs of problems, though they didn't tear up and walls, but I guess shoddy work outside is a sign there may be problems inside? | | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I asked the appraiser what he was looking for on one of my refinances. "I pretty much just verify the house is real, measure the foundation [for square footage], count the floors, bedrooms, and bathrooms, then find some local comps to justify the appraisal." I don't think any of the appraisers were inside for even 10 minutes. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Very recently a record portion of houses were bought with cash, and you couldn't even get a house if you wanted an inspection because you'd be outpaced by those who weren't going to do one. | |
| ▲ | me-vs-cat 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I believe it depends on the lender, though it's going to be effectively required by all. |
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