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lolive 4 days ago

I discovered by pure chance the vast ecosystem of iOS synths apps. And I was absolutely blown away. 90+% of the synths of the past century are available for ~5-20€ each. Connect that to a basic KORG MicroKeys Air [extra cheap, but includes Bluetooth]. And you are the next Jean-Michel Jarre.

[Note: and the amount of tutorial videos on YouTube is huge.]

MomsAVoxell 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I have a room full of synths from the 70's and 80's, two racks full of synths from the 90's, a veritable crap heap of soft synths on various Macs, and a Eurorack corner that threatens to implode my universe .. an as well - my Zynthian and Monome systems are chock full of great stuff, too.

It's not just iOS.

Zynthian and Monome provide an AMAZING ecosystem for audio exploration. If you haven't checked that out as well, here's the links:

https://monome.org

https://zynthian.org

That said - I could easily just get another iPad, throw away the room full of synths, wire up my iPads and the Zynthian and Monome systems, and be quite satisfied.

lastdong 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GarageBand is free on every iPhone and has a good selection of starter synths, with added DAW capabilities. Bluetooth midi controllers are supported (via bluetooth midi connect App). Using a pi or Arduino to build a midi controller can also be great fun.

raffraffraff 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is the real competition. I'm not a Mac head but the one Mac in my house that will runs MacOS is connected to my Yamaha piano and runs Garageband. Is there any other software that works as simply as this, on any other platform?

vunderba 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Having grown up with and used the vast majority of DAWs (Logic, Ableton, Bitwig, FL Studio, Reaper, Studio One, etc) - Garageband probably has the gentlest learning curve of any of them.

And it doesn't hurt that when need more power/features you can upgrade to its big brother Logic Pro X which offers a very similar interface.

AlecSchueler 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Simple in what way? It's a difficult question to answer because in my mind pretty much any software synth on Linux is just plug and play, but I'm guessing there's a technical gap that I'm overlooking due to familiarity.

What complications do you run into outside of garage band, or you imagine you would run into?

klodolph 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Garage Band is also a DAW; you can record both MIDI and audio tracks. Big library of things like drum loops and basslines you can drop into your project. Big library of sounds, including acoustic instruments, orchestral instruments, drums, world instruments. Good selection of effects. Easy to browse presets.

I have at various points in my life used Garage Band, Logic, or various Linux software.

vunderba 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Has the Linux world gotten better in the past decade? I remember audio drivers/latency being a particular pain in the ass. In terms of ease of use from best to worst I'd rank them:

1. Mac Core Audio (Works out of box)

2. Windows ASIO (ASIO4ALL or just plugin a Scarlett/MOTU audio interface)

3. Linux Pipewire

QuadmasterXLII 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They might just be old like me- I crashed into ubuntu studio’s ALSA and Jack config like a brick wall in 2012 and never recovered.

klodolph 3 days ago | parent [-]

I also remember dealing with a nightmare of PulseAudio problems. It took me a long, long time to warm up to PulseAudio after experiencing how bad it was around 2010.

fortran77 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? I _still_ can't get sound to work at all on Ubuntu.

bigyabai 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Garageband only has a sampler - there is no subtractive synth engine outside AUs, AFAIK.

musicale 15 hours ago | parent [-]

A sampler with a filter envelope is a type of subtractive synth.

Alchemy in GarageBand has many presets with adjustable filter envelopes (sometimes multiple) and volume envelopes, so it can work as a subtractive synth stand-in. However since it's based on Alchemy Player you don't seem to get the full patch creation power of Alchemy in Logic Pro.

GarageBand's "synth" (named) presets that I've tried appear to be subtractive, and sound great, but seem to limit user controls to filter cutoff and a single envelope for both volume and filter (possibly with configurable envelope amount). Some presets have slightly different controls though (for example an FM amount.)

Fortunately there are lots of great AUs, including free ones, for traditional virtual analog subtractive synthesis (and FM, and everything else.)

beAbU a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure what it's like on iOS, but on Android the latency renders attempting anything "serious" impossible. There is a noticeable delay between pressing an on-screen key and getting sound out. I don't even want to imagine what a Bluetooth keybed introduce in the latency chain!

Do iDevices not support hardware (USB) MIDI?

lolive 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I notice no latency with my USB midi keyboard. And the MicroKey Air I have is also real-time, in Bluetooth. [the Bluetooth headphones on the contrary have a noticeable delay, so prefer the almighty jack 3.5 mm connection]

m_kos 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For synth heads, there is also a well-regarded Syntorial app/course. (BTW, has anyone tried their Building Blocks? There are very few online reviews.)

bzzzt 3 days ago | parent [-]

Building Blocks was a pack-in when I bought Syntorial in last years sale. It's technically different (web-based instead of a standalone app like Syntorial), and tries to do with music theory as a whole what Syntorial does with synthesis. Since it goes through the same 'theory, practice and create' cycle every time (eg. once for every chord type) I found it getting a bit tedious after a while.

rjh29 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For some synths like Blofeld, you're paying $10-20 for something that used to sell in a box for $300. And it's the exact same synth (100% digital) often with a better UI.

The iPad is a great choice for music - you get the variety of hardware synths with none of the annoying setup (power, midi, audio routing), at a cheaper price, but it still feels more immersive than sitting at a desktop PC and a daw.

ofalkaed 3 days ago | parent [-]

But they are not the same, if you are a musician going to bars and practice spaces and the like that $300 Blofeld will handle the abuse and accidents much better than a laptop or tablet. No matter what you do and how careful you are, cords get snagged and stepped on, stuff gets knocked over, things get spilled etc etc etc. My Blofeld has taken far more abuse than any laptop or tablet will handle and still going strong 15 years later; three laptops and two tablets later.

There are things you can do to make computers more suitable for this stuff but it gets expensive fast and less convenient quickly. Toughbooks are tempting, but expensive, rackmount computer can be managed for not much and keeps the computer safe in its rack but now you more and bigger stuff to haul. Taking a disposable approach with rpi or the like is tempting but not exactly ideal. Computers/tablets are great and have their uses but are not a replacement for hardware yet.

The big problem for me with all things touch screen is that they get confused by water on the screen, which is an issue when it is hot and you are sweating or on a stage with bright lights cooking you. Not an issue if you just want to tap out beats but a serious headache if you want to adjust parameters. Connectors on tablets are also an issue, USB is not a very secure connection and the wireless options are not great. Give me a tablet with a plastic screen, 1/4" ins/outs, can run PureData and will not get confused by water on the screen and I will probably give up my hardware.

diggan 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> My Blofeld has taken far more abuse than any laptop or tablet will handle and still going strong 15 years later; three laptops and two tablets later.

On the other hand, my Blofeld had wonky unresponsive knobs after just a couple of months, not that they were very good at the first place, who thought having knobs with no tactile feeling of grip was good idea?!

Personally the biggest win for actual hardware is that it's just more fun to play and use. I've tried various music apps for mobile/tablets and while it's fun for some minutes, that's pretty much it. But then I feel the same with DAWs, it's just not as fun as playing with an hardware drum machine + synth + sampler all hooked together.

ofalkaed 3 days ago | parent [-]

The encoder issue was fixed with a firmware update, they switched encoders and did not quite account for how they would work once broken in. I had one of those Blofelds for awhile, bought a second because the deal was too good to pass up and it was pretty much new in box. I like the knobs, love the detentless encoders.

diggan 3 days ago | parent [-]

> The encoder issue was fixed with a firmware update,

No joke? I was sure it was a hardware issue, but guess I should give that a look, still have my Blofeld around here somewhere, thanks for sharing the "news" :)

> love the detentless encoders

I have no issues with them being detentless, makes a lot of sense. What I do have issues with, is using the smoothest material they could find for the knobs instead of something you can "grip", sometimes it just slipped between my fingers when trying to turn them, unless I make my fingers slightly humid first.

ofalkaed 3 days ago | parent [-]

I suppose it is possible you got one with 7 bad encoders but chances are updating the firmware will fix it. The contacts in the new encoders loosened up over time more than the old encoders and the debounce code could not keep up. Two things you can always rely on Waldorf for, topnotch hardware and buggy software, but they fix the bugs for the most part and the ones they don't fix probably are not actually bugs but limitations in the technology/design compromises; like aliasing in the Blofeld, they could "fix" it but leaving it gives it a lot more versatility within its intended range and is why it sounds so good in that range. The only real issue for me with the Blofeld is the noise gen, it is fairly limited in use because of the aliasing.

I get why you dislike the knobs, but they don't bother me. Many dislike them and I have seen various fixes like shrink tubing, tape and rubber bands as well as just replacing them. I just learned to pinch the knob a little tighter. Skipping their traditional coating on the knobs was probably one of the corners they cut to get the price down while keeping the same quality overall.

rjh29 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed. My comment doesn't apply to the 0.005% of synth owners who actually perform live :P

vunderba 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do the majority of my music composition on a desktop but it can definitely be nice to bring my 37-key midi controller + iPad for doing stuff on the go.

It's also not entirely uncommon for an App Store synth to offer both an iOS and a native Mac version so always check the store description to see if its universal. The ability to seamlessly bring your tracks over to a more full-fledged DAW on your Mac is really nice.

Example: Minimoog Model D Synthesizer

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/minimoog-model-d-synthesizer/i...

lolive 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Additional note: synth emulation is also available in the Bristol Linux app, or in the [proprietary but very complete] Arturia VST.

ACCount37 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Creating music was never more accessible than it is now.

Conversely, the likelihood of making it big just by making some good damn music was never lower than it is now. Makes for a fine hobby though.

diggan 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Conversely, the likelihood of making it big just by making some good damn music was never lower than it is now.

Is that statement backed by any facts? Otherwise it sounds like a soundbite that sounds good, but I'm not sure how true it is. Maybe what "making it big" has changed more compared to how many people make their living making music, which for me would be enough to be considered "making it big".

AlecSchueler 3 days ago | parent [-]

Do you believe more people per capita now make their their livings as performing musicians?

usrusr 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How will that hobby fare against gen-AI prompt composing? Synths and samplers and sequencers were once removed from playing real instruments, softsynths and DAW twice removed and now there's genAI, thrice removed and arguably the biggest jump of them all. When softsyths appeared, real instruments weren't affected at all, but physical synths all but disappeared, just carried on by inertia, integration with real instruments and a bit of nostalgia. Will the same happen to soft synth now that there's an alternative thrice removed from real instruments?

I believe so: in an aging softsynth community I still mingle with occasionally, everybody who is still actively involved with music seems to have either moved on to genAI, or to soft-on-Rpi for better integration with real instruments (including synths of all kinds).

sbarre 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> How will that hobby fare against gen-AI prompt composing

The beauty of a hobby is that you do it for yourself, not for others.

So even in a (terrible) world where 100% of commercial music was AI-composed, someone's hobby of writing music by hand would likely remain unaffected.

otabdeveloper4 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> physical synths all but disappeared

Disappeared from where? In terms of units moved I'm guessing there's an order of magnitude more sold today than in the 90's or 80's.

zeknife 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I assume you're not very interested in the subject if you think synthesizers aren't real instruments

AlecSchueler 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> How will that hobby fare against gen-AI prompt composing?

Pretty well, I believe. The joy of playing is largely the act itself, becoming one with your instrument and stepping into a world outside of time. Composition is an adjacent pastime.

piltdownman a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Not only are companies like Behringer completely redefining the cost of entry to the hardware synth market, while continuously launching affordable replicas of some of the most desireable and rare synths of all time, but traditional software-first companies like Arturia are now pivoting to release hardware hosting platforms for their V-Collection to bridge the soft/hard synth gap

https://www.arturia.com/products/hardware-synths/astrolab/as...

This is without even referencing the huge cross-pollination and massive influx of development in the Modular Synthesis scene spurred on by things like vcv rack and its EuroRack ports.

In short, it has never been a better time in history to be a hardware synth enthusiast, and it's mainly down to soft-synths popularising the unique sonic qualities of historic hardware synths.

Juliate 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes! But, huge but, very huge but, you lose the affordance of the switches and the buttons and the knobs and the patch cables. And that is a terrible loss for fiddling and discovery.

lolive 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

My path has been to work a lot in the ODDYSEi app.

Now that I understand most of it, I am really considering buying a ARP 2600 replica.

So yes, the switch from software to hardware comes with time. But, at least for me, the first step is cheap apps on my already-owned tablet.

piltdownman a day ago | parent [-]

As a BARP 2600 owner (standard, not grey or blue) I couldn't recommend it more. If nothing else its max €400 for one of the most incredibly routable FX modules of all time with a very serviceable digital spring-reverb and Ring Modulator in the mix. Pair with a Strymon Night Sky or Big Sky and you've an enviable ambient/soundscape setup.

lolive a day ago | parent [-]

Ah man, what can i say.... That's SO tempting!

Small comments/interrogations regarding hardware vs software in this post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45235398

May be you have some opinion regarding these.

xdfgh1112 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You gain presets lol. And in the case of odyssei it has a ton of additional features including a sequencer and full effects bank!

Experiences vary but sliding a slider on a screen is worth the benefits.

lolive 3 days ago | parent [-]

In the case of ODDYSEi, I am not sure whether the included 6-controls sequencer [i think that’s called P-lock] and/or the desunion on 8 « channels » [not sure of the wording] also exist somehow as hardware devices for the real ARP Oddysey

lolive 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True. But for going from zero to semi-hero, that’s definitely an option. [the huge amount of presets in software synths is really an BIG added value, so you can learn how each given sound is built]

Juliate 3 days ago | parent [-]

Definitely agree too. Budget is definitely not the same.

And something like VCVRack is heaven to learn, experiment and understand what one can do with synthesis, step by step.

drcongo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ahh, but, you can just chain a bunch of Intech controllers. That's what I do. https://intech.studio

zokier 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Midi controllers work plenty good with ipads

Juliate 3 days ago | parent [-]

Totally agree, and it's an intermediary step, but it's still not the same.

I mean, it's terrific to have an affordable replica, especially for discovery, I'm not debating the price-point advantage (for both acquisition and maintenance), but this is not an on-par replacement.

In an analog (less so in digital, but still somehow) synth, the controls are the instrument itself: they are in a specific place, react in a specific way, and physically part of the device that outputs the sound, and they stay there: you cannot move one without the other. The instrument has its own character. It's still more abstract than a classical instrument like the violin or the piano where the physical action alone is done and felt in real time, of course. It's significantly more incarnated than software + generic (in a good way) controllers.

The good side of this is that after having software replicas or original synthetisers, there's room to build new exciting embodiments/physical instruments.

kstrauser 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

My first synth was a TX81Z. That one set of buttons I’ll never miss.