I’m Canadian, and US politics is a massive distraction and influence on ours. It gives me an objective view of their system because their problems often spill over into ours. I usually try to avoid diving into US politics, so I didn’t follow Charlie. Still, he was deeply respected by all of my political allies in Canada. I don’t know all of his positions, but I’d bet we agreed a lot.

One thing that’s shifted in my lifetime is the polarization of US politics. Republicans edged somewhat left because several outspoken anti-gay senators were later revealed to be gay. But Democrats swung much further left, and it’s been costing them elections. The polarization worsened as Democrats regularly dehumanized and attacked Republicans as fascists and racists. My expectation is that the recent attack of charlie kirk by south park is a key factor in this political assassination.

Charlie’s mission was to break that cycle. He stood for open discussion without violence. He often said the great failure of today’s politics is that Democrats and Republicans can’t even talk to each other. And when husband and wife stop talking, they end up divorcing.

The democrats/liberals ended that yesterday. There's no 1 entity to blame here. But how can anyone risk their NECK trying to have proper democratic conversations and debate anymore? You cant. The conversation is over. Divorce is coming.

▲ HelloNurse 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

  >  Democrats regularly dehumanized and attacked Republicans as fascists and racists.

But a lot of Republicans are not only fascists and racists, but liars and demagogues beyond any hope of discussion in good faith. What can be done about them apart from trying to convince the public that they are bad?

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soupbowl 4 days ago | parent [-]

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	▲	HankStallone 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		What the reaction to the Kirk assassination showed us was that it's not just a few radicals who make the party look bad. That's a fairy tale we've been telling ourselves to avoid facing the depth of the problem. It was a broad-based celebration of murder, from TV commentators to school teachers, thousands of people posting their approval that a husband and father of two small children was killed because they didn't like his speech. Not wackos hiding in a basement somewhere, but regular people with jobs and homes who might have tweeted their glee from the stands while watching their kid's soccer game. It was shocking, even for someone who already had a low opinion of them, so it must have been even more so for moderate normies who like to think there are just some bad apples on both sides.

▲ nick_ 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm also Canadian. Your interpretation of Kirk's "mission" is curious.

To the rest of us, his "open discussion" was clearly and obviously rhetorical. The public performances that made him famous were undoubtedly designed specifically to incite college students into making clumsy arguments they weren't prepared for. Not only is that bad faith and predatory in the context of political debate, but Steven Crowder came up with that schtick.

Blaming democrats/liberals for his death is also curious. Could you expand on how you're so sure about that? As far as I know, no suspect nor motive is known at this time.

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incomingpain 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

>I'm also Canadian. Your interpretation of Kirk's "mission" is curious.

Obviously i recommend watching the countless videos that confirm and prove this mission correctly. I'll never debate this subject.

>To the rest of us, his "open discussion" was clearly and obviously rhetorical.

You're speaking for everyone? Or do you mean you think. He had open mics that let anyone speak any subject really. What's rhetorical about it? Are you confusing him with steven crowder who has a 'change my mind' on a specific issue that he has deeply researched and knows he's correct?

If your mission is to have democratic debates, this is how you do it.

>The public performances that made him famous were undoubtedly designed specifically to incite college students into making clumsy arguments they weren't prepared for.

So you're against this? You're against having democratic discussions which lead to greater understanding? Im guessing your point of view are out of context 30 second funny clips of the dumbest comments. Those go viral sure, but isnt representative of many hour long events.

>Blaming democrats/liberals for his death is also curious.

when i use a general label, im not saying all even vaguely identifying liberals in canada are responsible for the death. I'm saying the institutions of the Liberal party of Canada and Democratic party in usa are responsible for the political violence.

I can of course be more specific. John Stewart probably is your original root cause for the polarization of the left wing. His style of discourse is funny from him in his comedy show but when people took his style into proper democratic discussions, it falls apart very quickly into polarization.

South Park's recent attack on charlie kirk no doubt is the recent incitement to violence. Yes they pulled the episode. They are likely to be paying hundreds of millions of $ to Kirk's family in a few years from now. Their publishers likely ending their contract for south park now. The lawyers yesterday and today are putting together the settlement offer before they even get served no doubt.

I can also blame the democratic journalists who lie and convinced their readers to hate charlie and republicans as racists and fascists thusly justifying murder. Good on MSNBC to fire Dowd immediately after his outrageous comment.

A great deal of people got fired yesterday and even more are getting fired today. Liberals losing their jobs are only going to radicalize them more towards violence unfortunately.

>Could you expand on how you're so sure about that? As far as I know, no suspect nor motive is known at this time.

When i wrote that comment there was no motive, but political assassinations are trivial to conclude as political.

There is a motive now, ATF leaked that it's a trans shooter. I will be shocked if there arent massive consequences for trans people in the usa.

I will note as well. Lets not forget Melissa Hortman. The political violence is on both sides now.

The way to fix this was Charlie's mission of having conversations. That's impossible now. Nobody can deradicalize the liberals from their violence now. IT will now escalate.

Another note since we're both Canadian. In the summer, Sean Fuecht tried to have simple public performances. Liberals used government power to silence his speech. That's not something you're allowed to do; but they violated his charter rights based of "safety" concerns. Which were valid, there was multiple bombs at his shows by antifa.

The liberals in Canada are as violent.

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xvector 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The bullets were literally found with transgender and antifa ideology engraved on them.

	▲	nick_ 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Were they though? Or, was that a single, unverified bulletin put out by one cop? The engravings have nothing to do with "transgender and antifa ideology". They are all "online" troll phrases/codes. EDIT: The ATF has apparently subpoenaed Steven Crowder for posting the claim you are referring to: https://x.com/scrowder/status/1966236010381193388