| |
| ▲ | fhdkweig 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If you lost 90 lbs, you must have been at least 90 lbs overweight. That isn't a little bit of fat. That is a lot of fat. And it takes a lifetime to put on that much fat. You can't really claim that you had proper exercise and diet before you started taking medications. I have seen many episodes of My 600 LB Life and similar shows where the clients and their caretakers swear on their mother's graves that they even eat at all, but that isn't how reality and physics work. Don't misunderstand, I'm glad they made the GLP-1 drugs, but still, they have for years been reversing Type 2 diabetes through exercise a diet. | | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Calories in/out is the only reliable way (short of surgery or drugs anyway) to reliably change the size of your body in either direction. Genetics, where you are on the planet, hormones, and your average activity levels tweak things but this remains fundamentally true: If you eat in a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. If you eat in a calorie surplus, you will gain weight. It's not hateful, it's math. If you have a hard time getting your intake down due to life circumstances, addictions, stress, whatever, you have my utmost sympathies and I would do anything I could to help, but I'm not going to bullshit you. If you want to weigh less, you must, over a long period of time, take in fewer calories than you burn in a day. That is how you lose weight in the most nuts-and-bolts way there is. | | |
| ▲ | fhdkweig 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd also like to point out that people don't think about calories when they eat. They are thinking about their hunger. But for 50 years they've been told "carbs and whole grains are good for you". So they eat carbs which spike the blood sugar followed by spiking of insulin. A few minutes later both crash, which makes them hungry and they go back for more food which is carbs. It is impossible to not overeat with that mindset. First they have to learn that fatty and fibrous foods will make them feel full all day. My go-to comfort food is ice cream. I was thrilled when I discovered https://rebelcreamery.com/ , which they sell at my local grocery stores. I can eat about 700 calories and a bit of psyllium fiber and be full for the whole day. It is the primary way I lost weight. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > But for 50 years they've been told "carbs and whole grains are good for you". Carbs have replaced fats as the conventional wisdom thing to religiously minimize for a couple of decades now; this is like reading a canned rant that was found in a time capsule from the 1990s. | | |
| ▲ | fhdkweig 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I guess it matters if a person continues learning throughout their life. Some people decide their book learnin is over at high school, and those people will stay forever behind. |
|
|
|
| |
| ▲ | somenameforme 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A bit of a tangent, but the biking stuff is not relevant. What matters is your caloric consumption. Biking 25 miles, depending on your weight, is going to burn something like 1300 calories. For some contrast, a 2L bottle of coke has about 800 calories. So treat yourself to a big serving of Coke after (or during) the biking, maybe a fast food burger or whatever, and it's like you're not even biking at all in terms of caloric effect. This is also true with 'sports drinks' which are also loaded with calories which can be really easy to chug when doing cardio intensive work. And this can easily happen because biking 25 miles is going to send your appetite skyrocketing. This is why working out to lose weight is probable one of the worst ideas imaginable. Working out is a critical part of staying in good health, but it simply has to be paired with a good diet, permanently. In other words you can't work away a bad diet at the gym (or on a bike), it just doesn't work. | | |
| ▲ | peterfirefly 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Exercise is relevant, too. It's not just obesity and it's not just diet. (And genes matter, too.) |
| |
| ▲ | mrguyorama 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So very rough estimate: 25 miles of biking is somewhere in the world of 400ish Calories. If you were doing that and not losing weight, you were eating 400ish excess Calories on average. That's the equivalent of a single packet of Ramen, or about 4 Oreo cookies. Food is extremely energy dense. Exercise, especially using efficient means like biking or running or walking, just isn't that effective. You need caloric restriction to make any ground for the majority of people. >But it should help temper the fat and diet shaming that exists in society. Why would it? Factually, if Ozempic and similar solved your weight issues, it directly means you were eating "too much" food. People who see that as a personal failing will continue to do so, and will see Ozempic as enabling "weak willed" people, or a crutch for "lesser" people. | | |
| ▲ | sampullman 3 days ago | parent [-] | | It doesn't really affect your point, but biking 25 miles is going to burn more than 400 calories. Probably double or triple that, depending on their weight and the workout intensity. |
| |
| ▲ | borroka 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you say that diet did not fix it, but then you lost ~90 lbs, which is a massive weight loss [(1) congratulations, 2) we are becoming used to people losing 200 lbs and 90 is a victim of weight-loss inflation], it looks like the problem was that the diet, which can be defined as a particular way of eating and/or caloric restriction, was not really a diet in the second meaning of the term. Ozempic helped you lose weight primarily by making you stick to a diet, due to its suppressing effects on appetite. | |
| ▲ | moi2388 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What fat and diet shaming? If it feels shameful to you that you were at least 90lbs overweight and didn’t manage to follow a diet, that’s on you. I merely said most incidence of type 2 can be prevented and treated with diet and exercise. Which is completely true. |
|
| |
| ▲ | ch4s3 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > Most cancer can be prevented This is a highly questionable statement. There are myriad reasons for the kinds of DNA copying errors that cause cancer(s), and few are mono-causal. Type-II diabetes is mainly a lifestyle disease and barely existed 50 years ago. That said any treatment or effort to cure Type-II diabetes is laudable, and it's clear that broad societal factors create the conditions for so many people to develop diabetes. | | |
| ▲ | bregma 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Your misplaced confidence that Type II diabetes is a lifestyle disease for which you can just judge the victim is questionable. I have never been overweight, I eat healthy (mostly plants, very little refined carbs), and I am active and run 5k regularly. That didn't prevent me from inheriting T2 from both my parents by the time I turned 60. I'm pretty certain T2 was widespread 50 years ago. We just didn't test for it and people just lost their feet or went blind or had heart attacks as they got old. Was there even an inexpensive, rapid test for HbA1c in 1975? | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 4 days ago | parent [-] | | If your read carefully, you'll note that I said largely. There is clearly a genetic component and non-lifestyle environmental factors. You don't need to go back to the 1970s even. In 1990 fewer than 5% of Americans had Type II diabetes and now that number probably exceeds 15%. |
| |
| ▲ | peterfirefly 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A lot of them are probably not copying errors but errors in which parts of the genome are turned on and which parts are turned off. (Agree entirely about type 2 diabetes.) | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Sure DNA methylation can also just happen for any number of reasons. | | |
| |
| ▲ | dpc050505 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Also a lot of environmental factors that can cause cancer are out of your control if you live in an urban area. | | |
|
|