And 66th by murder rate. Scoping it to gun deaths is disingenuous, and exactly the kind of thing Charlie Kirk is being (rightly imo) accused of here. Please be better.

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selcuka 4 days ago | parent [-]

Fair point, but not mentioning the socio-economic level of the top 100 countries in that list is also disingenuous. For a fairer comparison with similar countries; the per capita rate is 5.763 (!) for US, while it is 2.273 for Canada, 1.148 for UK, or 0.854 for Australia.

Even if it was as low as Canada, for example, 11,989 of the 19,796 people who died last year might still be living today.

If you think that those extra deaths are acceptable, and that guns have nothing to do with that, then I don't believe I can change your mind.

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kulahan 4 days ago | parent [-]

I don't think anyone is arguing either of those things, but 12k excess deaths in a country of 330 million means this should logically be incredibly low on our priority list.

What else with a 0.00006% (20k/330M) chance of happening are we walking around worried about every day?

Edit: Note that the correct answer here is that these mass shooting deaths are primarily focused on school children, and has become their (first? second?) leading cause of death at certain age groups. IMO we solve this by raising the gun purchase age to 26, because this is mostly school-age children shooting younger school-age children, then we can ignore the problem pretty much indefinitely.

	▲	selcuka 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		> this should logically be incredibly low on our priority list. 0.00006% every year... Why should there be a priority list? Why can't we improve multiple things simultaneously? > we solve this by raising the gun purchase age to 26, because this is mostly school-age children shooting younger school-age children This won't solve the problem. A Secret Service study of school attackers (2008–2017) [1] found that "Many of the attackers were able to access firearms from the home of their parents or another close relative." [1] https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/Pr...