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| ▲ | ironman1478 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You could read the links I posted to see the consequences of extreme policy decisions, like very wide bans on abortions. You can either meet people where they are and try to work with them, or you can be extreme and reap the consequences. It's not like the people of Romania were then or are now woke lefties. Charlie Kirk would've loved Ceausescu. Also read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s%E2%80%931990s_Romanian... | | |
| ▲ | qcnguy 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > or you can be extreme and reap the consequences This part of your post is very unfortunately worded given the context. I'll try to parse this in the most generous way possible, namely that you're talking about the consequences of abortion on adults and not advocating that right wing Christians "reap the consequences" of their "extreme policy decisions" by being murdered by leftist radicals. Anyway, you're not responding to his point: the consequences of abortion bans are born by the adults instead of the children. Instead your counter-argument is that the consequences are such that violence against the children is legitimate and not "extreme". Kirk's argument is that whatever the consequences are, it doesn't justify violence or murder of children, which is inherently extreme. You aren't rebutting his argument, just restating the left wing position in different words. And Ceausescu was a left wing dictator. | | |
| ▲ | ironman1478 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The abortion ban in Romania was born by the children and effected them in innumerable ways. The consequences fell on the children. You can read all the text I linked. Romania had a huge amount of children who were abandoned because they could not be taken care of. allowing abortion would have prevented all of that suffering. Abortions will happen whether you like it or not and if they cannot happen, people will figure something out to get what they want. It's like sensor noise, it exists and you can't make it not exist. You can either accept it and work with people and try to develop healthy solutions or you can ignore reality and cause problems for everybody. Ceausescu was not left wing or right wing. Just like trump, these people are apolitical and just sit on the side that gives the ability to rule. I also strongly subscribe to the horseshoe theory of politics, so in my mind the far left == far right. Also, just so you know, I'm an extreme capitalist. I believe in economics and numbers. The numbers are what lead me to my policy perspectives. | | |
| ▲ | qcnguy 4 days ago | parent [-] | | They were abandoned but alive. Once you go down the road of solving problems by killing the people who have them, there's no limit to where the logic takes you. Homeless people are often also abandoned by those around them and suffer greatly. Should that result in their lives also being aborted? If the answer is "no" then you're making a distinction based on believing an adult life is worth more than a child's life, and it seems obvious why a lot of people would see it as an immoral stance. My own abortion views are totally middle of the road, but it's easy to see the logic of how people end up always opposing it. The "far right" usually means the National Socialists, who were left wing. Hitler is on record saying so clearly. It only seems like a horseshoe because they were misplaced by left wing historians and academics for ideological reasons. Go read the primary sources, and you can see easily that Hitler and his supporters were left wing socialists, as they claimed to be. Ceausescu was a communist, of course he was left wing. That's what the terms mean. |
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| ▲ | ironman1478 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Multiple family members of mine were killed and jailed by the Romanian government during that time. The damage the government creates can be felt in the people who survived it to this day. Their lives were miserable. Please have grace when talking about what people endured and the choices they had to make. Also, please read more history. The world was always awful for most people. | |
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