> there is still broad support there for the war, because most israelis feel it's a matter of survival.

A phrase like "the war" glosses over a lot. If the IDF were not deliberately shooting children¹, would the Israeli public be clamouring, "shoot more children"? If food shipments were not being blockaded², would the public be demanding that Gazans be starved?

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-... [2]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-malnutrition-children-blo...

I'm sure some form of military action was necessary in the aftermath of the October 7th attacks. Genocide³ ⁴ ⁵ ⁶ ⁷ was not.

[3]: https://www.fidh.org/en/region/north-africa-middle-east/isra... [4]: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/un-special-committee-pre... [5]: https://amnesty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Amnesty-Intern... [6]: https://msf.org.uk/issues/gaza-genocide [7]: https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-righ...

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FridayoLeary 5 days ago | parent [-]

I didn't see anywhere in the article anything about israelis calling for more dead children. Even if that happened it's the actions of a fringe group, not idf policy. Food shipments are being restricted because it's not generally accepted that you have to feed your enemies while you're at war with them. In any case the GHF was set up to deal precisely with this problem and is doing a great job.

On the charges of genocide... Again what you say should be in harmony with reality. In truth all those sources have an anti israel bias. One can't help but think they started with a conclusion and found the evidence to fit in with it, which is the wrong way round. In any event other bodies like the UK government don't agree. Genocide requires intent and there is simply no intent for genocide from the Israeli government. One can also argue that if indeed genocide was the goal the war would have been much faster. anyway i hope that gives you a better perspective of Israels point of view and interpretation of events. Their stated goals in gaza are destroying hamas and ensuring gaza is no longer a security threat. Hamas is very large and quite well embedded in the civilian population and has a lot of infrastructure which means that even waging a war will lead to a lot of civilian casualties. Something that hamas exploits and people who claim genocide ignore.

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paintbox 5 days ago | parent [-]

>Food shipments are being restricted because it's not generally accepted that you have to feed your enemies while you're at war with them.

Funny way to put it. You do not feed the enemy, rest of the world feeds the enemy. You make all effort to prevent the enemy being fed, to starve the enemy to death. Starving the enemy is generally accepted as a war crime, but Israel disagrees. Oh yeah, and enemy in this case includes infants.

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FridayoLeary 5 days ago | parent [-]

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disgruntledphd2 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> The enemy does not include children, but hamas cannot use them as a shield to protect or even deflect attention from their own fighters. Again it's awful but not criminal.

When the Allies bombed Dresden, that was a war crime. When Israel kills children because it's operationally easier than figuring out how to just kill combatants, that is also a war crime.

Like, they appear to be able to do targeted attacks on Hamas people basically everywhere except Gaza, which seems pretty weird.

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bccdee 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> there has to be intent to prevent civilians from accessing food

Intent, in cases of genocide, is basically impossible to establish except in retrospect. We can only establish what is happening right now:

> “The worst-case scenario of famine is currently playing out in Gaza,” UN-backed food security experts said on Tuesday, in a call to action amid unrelenting conflict, mass displacement and the near-total collapse of essential services in the war-battered enclave.

> The alert follows a May 2025 IPC analysis that projected catastrophic levels of food insecurity for the entire population by September. According to the platform’s experts, at least half a million people are expected to be in IPC Phase 5 – catastrophe – which is marked by starvation, destitution and death.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517

> It is unclear to me how much actual starvation is taking place there.

It sounds pretty clear to the UN.

Israel is in full control of this situation. If things were playing out differently to how they wanted, they could permit more aid to go through.

> They claim there's enough food entering gaza, but hamas is stealing it

The idea that there's plenty of food but Hamas has squirrelled it away so that everyone starves is ludicrous.

> so long as they are keeping international laws in good faith

The International Court of Justice has ordered Israel multiple times to permit aid into Gaza.

> You have to realise that genocide is not a realistic operational aim for the idf or the political establishment

Sure it is. They just have to keep doing what they're doing right now. It's worked so far.

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I cited a laundry list of expert organizations specializing in identifying crimes against humanity. You've cited an op-ed. The balance of evidence and expertise overwhelmingly indicates genocide, and it's not even close.

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FridayoLeary 5 days ago | parent [-]

The un has such a long and consistent anti israel bias i find it hard to trust anything they say. UNWRA basically is the de facto propoganda and civil administrators for hamas. Again the ipc changed their definition on famine in order to include gaza.

Israel is most definitely not in full control of gaza. They are trying to assert some with the ghf despite UN/Hamas strenuous opposition.

The idea that hamas isn't stealing all the aid is ludicrous.

And finally Israel does permit huge amounts of aid into gaza. I wonder what UNWRA are doing with it.

The only thing you have established is that gaza is indeed in the midst of a war and that resources are scarce for people there and lots of people are dying which is exactly what you would expect in a war.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. Israel isn't to blame for what has happened in gaza. Unless you claim having an interest in not being massacred, kidnapped and raped is unreasonable.

	▲	underlipton 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>Israel isn't to blame for what has happened in gaza. That's an astonishing thing to say.
	▲	bccdee 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The idea that hamas isn't stealing all the aid is ludicrous. Bro what the fuck are they going to do with enough stolen food to feed an entire nation? It's not as if they can sell it. World's biggest mukbang tiktok stream? You're either wilfully blind or unspeakably obtuse. Open your eyes or shut your mouth.