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disgruntledphd2 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> The enemy does not include children, but hamas cannot use them as a shield to protect or even deflect attention from their own fighters. Again it's awful but not criminal.

When the Allies bombed Dresden, that was a war crime. When Israel kills children because it's operationally easier than figuring out how to just kill combatants, that is also a war crime.

Like, they appear to be able to do targeted attacks on Hamas people basically everywhere except Gaza, which seems pretty weird.

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bccdee 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> there has to be intent to prevent civilians from accessing food

Intent, in cases of genocide, is basically impossible to establish except in retrospect. We can only establish what is happening right now:

> “The worst-case scenario of famine is currently playing out in Gaza,” UN-backed food security experts said on Tuesday, in a call to action amid unrelenting conflict, mass displacement and the near-total collapse of essential services in the war-battered enclave.

> The alert follows a May 2025 IPC analysis that projected catastrophic levels of food insecurity for the entire population by September. According to the platform’s experts, at least half a million people are expected to be in IPC Phase 5 – catastrophe – which is marked by starvation, destitution and death.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517

> It is unclear to me how much actual starvation is taking place there.

It sounds pretty clear to the UN.

Israel is in full control of this situation. If things were playing out differently to how they wanted, they could permit more aid to go through.

> They claim there's enough food entering gaza, but hamas is stealing it

The idea that there's plenty of food but Hamas has squirrelled it away so that everyone starves is ludicrous.

> so long as they are keeping international laws in good faith

The International Court of Justice has ordered Israel multiple times to permit aid into Gaza.

> You have to realise that genocide is not a realistic operational aim for the idf or the political establishment

Sure it is. They just have to keep doing what they're doing right now. It's worked so far.

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I cited a laundry list of expert organizations specializing in identifying crimes against humanity. You've cited an op-ed. The balance of evidence and expertise overwhelmingly indicates genocide, and it's not even close.

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FridayoLeary 5 days ago | parent [-]

The un has such a long and consistent anti israel bias i find it hard to trust anything they say. UNWRA basically is the de facto propoganda and civil administrators for hamas. Again the ipc changed their definition on famine in order to include gaza.

Israel is most definitely not in full control of gaza. They are trying to assert some with the ghf despite UN/Hamas strenuous opposition.

The idea that hamas isn't stealing all the aid is ludicrous.

And finally Israel does permit huge amounts of aid into gaza. I wonder what UNWRA are doing with it.

The only thing you have established is that gaza is indeed in the midst of a war and that resources are scarce for people there and lots of people are dying which is exactly what you would expect in a war.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. Israel isn't to blame for what has happened in gaza. Unless you claim having an interest in not being massacred, kidnapped and raped is unreasonable.

	▲	underlipton 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>Israel isn't to blame for what has happened in gaza. That's an astonishing thing to say.
	▲	bccdee 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The idea that hamas isn't stealing all the aid is ludicrous. Bro what the fuck are they going to do with enough stolen food to feed an entire nation? It's not as if they can sell it. World's biggest mukbang tiktok stream? You're either wilfully blind or unspeakably obtuse. Open your eyes or shut your mouth.