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ethbr1 5 days ago

> abolition of slavery, the global transition to democracy, and decolonization

It's notable that all of those are pre-democratic.

lmm 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Many slaving countries were democratic as it was understood at the time. All modern democracies disenfranchise some people e.g. the young, people with criminal convictions in some countries.

fraggleysun 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Could you please clarify your statement?

ethbr1 5 days ago | parent [-]

>> Attacks on free speech - like social media censorship or bans - makes democracy not possible.

GP stated this.

Parent replied with a list of scenarios where violence created progress, albeit none of which featured universal democracy before the violence.

IOW, they are loudly agreeing with each other.

komali2 5 days ago | parent [-]

At least in the case of the USA, then, there's still no universal democracy. Corporations have far more powerful and influence, in basically every election you can only vote for a neoliberal, and plenty of people get disenfranchised.

ethbr1 5 days ago | parent [-]

It seems like bike-shedding to equate complete lack of franchise with vote dilution.

They are very different levels of democratic access.