| ▲ | ethbr1 5 days ago |
| > abolition of slavery, the global transition to democracy, and decolonization It's notable that all of those are pre-democratic. |
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| ▲ | lmm 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Many slaving countries were democratic as it was understood at the time. All modern democracies disenfranchise some people e.g. the young, people with criminal convictions in some countries. |
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| ▲ | fraggleysun 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Could you please clarify your statement? |
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| ▲ | ethbr1 5 days ago | parent [-] | | >> Attacks on free speech - like social media censorship or bans - makes democracy not possible. GP stated this. Parent replied with a list of scenarios where violence created progress, albeit none of which featured universal democracy before the violence. IOW, they are loudly agreeing with each other. | | |
| ▲ | komali2 5 days ago | parent [-] | | At least in the case of the USA, then, there's still no universal democracy. Corporations have far more powerful and influence, in basically every election you can only vote for a neoliberal, and plenty of people get disenfranchised. | | |
| ▲ | ethbr1 5 days ago | parent [-] | | It seems like bike-shedding to equate complete lack of franchise with vote dilution. They are very different levels of democratic access. |
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