| ▲ | diabllicseagull 4 days ago |
| this bit is a no-go for me. they've decided what goes in the immutable base os and allowed a set of kde apps citing subpar experience flatpak versions. I'm guessing they haven't tested all flatpak apps as they tested their apps. "Well, we’re kind of cheating a bit here. A couple KDE apps are shipped as Flatpaks, and the rest you download using Discover will be Flatpack’d as well, but we do ship Dolphin, Konsole, Ark, Spectacle, Discover, Info Center, System Settings, and some other System-level apps on the base image, rather than as Flatpaks. The truth is, Flatpak is currently a pretty poor technology for system-level apps that want deep integration with the base system. We tried Dolphin and Konsole as Flatpaks for a while, but the user experience was just terrible." https://pointieststick.com/2025/09/06/announcing-the-alpha-r... |
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| ▲ | sho_hn 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Nathan (who is a QA person with user-visible breakage ever-present on his mind) is talking about the alpha and the present-day situation, which naturally isn't set in stone. KDE is a Flatpak contributor. One of the little skunkworks projects within KDE Linux is even exploring further evolution of Flatpak that would allow putting Plasma itself into one, etc. This is an ongoing story, you shouldn't assume dogma. |
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| ▲ | IshKebab 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They are both admitting that Flatpak gives a terrible user experience and making Flatpak the only way for users to install apps. Strange design. |
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| ▲ | 1una 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | They admit > Flatpak is currently a pretty poor technology for system-level apps that want deep integration with the base system. Therefore they ship those apps on the base image, rather than as Flatpaks. I don’t see what’s wrong with this approach. | | |
| ▲ | vbezhenar 3 days ago | parent [-] | | KDE Ark is a graphical file compression/decompression utility. It's not system app and does not require deep integration with the base system. It's a bit strange choice of apps to include to system image. | | |
| ▲ | rollcat 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Which is odd. Windows was able to browse ZIPs like normal folders since... 98? XP? Can't remember now. IMHO KDE delegates too much core functionality to apps. On macOS, I can press "space" while having a file selected and I get an instant preview. This sort of thing must not be delegated. | | |
| ▲ | const_cast 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Is this true? I was under the impression windows wasn't able to decompress zip files natively till very recently, like windows 11. I could be remembering wrong. | | |
| ▲ | IshKebab 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah it's been supported since at least Windows 7. I think XP sounds about right. |
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| ▲ | bmicraft 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | At the very least it does add context menu entries for compression to files, apart from "open with" obviously. That might already the reason right there. | | |
| ▲ | IshKebab 3 days ago | parent [-] | | So I can't install an app that adds context menu entries? I can do that on Windows. | | |
| ▲ | efreak 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That likely depends on the desktop environment. I have packages installed on my steam deck that add context menu entries, so clearly it's not impossible (my system still remains read-only, though I've been thinking about using an overlay like rwfus to get some new native packages, due to annoyance of self-management of self-built and downloaded ~/.local stuff) | |
| ▲ | bmicraft 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah obviously. Windows let's everybody and their dog write into the registry. Which goes completely against the kind of
immutable and sandboxed system that KDE Linux intends to be. |
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| ▲ | im3w1l 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Skate to where the puck is going" They are betting that Flatpack is the future, even if the present experience is subpar. | | |
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| ▲ | edoceo 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Note: not Dolphin the GameCube+Wii emulator but Dolphin the file-browser/manager (a KDE native) |
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| ▲ | nine_k 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This definitely looks like a system intended to be configured by an administrator, not the user. It shouts "secure office use", much like Silvetblue. |
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| ▲ | bmicraft 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Installation is exceptionally easy, other than timezone, install disk and user account. I'd also expect installing flatpaks offline would be a hassle. |
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