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yfw 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Would you like to live in a society like that?

mschuster91 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My position is that guns should be strictly regulated and traffic as well to achieve zero traffic deaths ("Vision Zero"). Alternatively, the US could look into what gun culture difference they have to Switzerland, because the Swiss have amongst the most liberal gun laws of Europe but are pretty average amongst European countries when it comes to gun violence.

Kirk's position was to have guns as unregulated as possible, so I pretty much DGAF when the consequences of his position come home to roost.

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FergusArgyll 5 days ago | parent [-]

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mschuster91 5 days ago | parent [-]

Helsinki in Finland proves Vision Zero be possible [1] and a number of European countries have gun policies [2] that basically restrict carrying guns to hunters, people in proven danger of life, police officers and special security guards, in addition to gun sports who can own, but can't carry outside of dedicated venues.

Objectively, my position is both serious and not just realistic, but actually lived reality here in Europe. You are free to visit our continent whenever you want, I can only recommend it.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/no-traffic-deaths-in-helsinki-finland-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation

	▲	hn_acc1 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		We've tried vision zero here (city in CA), and it's resulted in constant driver aggravation due to slowing down commute traffic, worse driving than before, and more traffic fatalities than before. Helsinki may be a lucky coincidence. It doesn't prove it's possible everywhere.
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vel0city 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

We really should regulate cars far more than we do.

There are only ~16,000 non-suicide related firearm deaths in the US. There are about 40,000 vehicle related deaths in the US. We could save a lot of lives if we made our society far less car dependent and had more restrictions on allowing people to operate vehicles in public spaces.