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| ▲ | malfist 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's not a fair point. The same argument could be made that I work better if I also get your paycheck. - Some people work better if they get their paycheck and their coworker's paycheck
- Some people work better when each person gets their own paycheck No one is saying that's unfortunate that you can't give both groups what they want |
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| ▲ | sokoloff 4 days ago | parent [-] | | What is happening is some
companies are choosing A and others are choosing B. Employees who really care about A will prefer companies who chose A, same for B. Employees who care more about other properties C, D, E, etc. but not much about A or B will prefer companies that provide those properties. |
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| ▲ | wiseowise 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So when it’s my idiosyncrasy I’m supposed to shut the fuck up because it’s unprofessional, but when it aligns with whatever goals of some middle manager I’m supposed to take one for the team, because Bob the baby needs a grown up man sitting next to him? |
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| ▲ | RHSeeger 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | No? It's not an idiosyncrasy, it's a preference/optimal work environment. And it varies by person. Stop acting like the people that are on the other side of the opinion are being childish/stupid. Nobody said you needed to stfu. Pointing out what works best for you is important in making sure the best decision is made. But, as I was trying to say, any decision that is made will be wrong for some of the people involved. | | |
| ▲ | wiseowise 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > Stop acting like the people that are on the other side of the opinion are being childish/stupid. No, people on the other side should stop acting like we’re childish/stupid.
I was born a while ago, and know how world works. No need to feed me bullshit about “culture” or “value of communication”. |
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| ▲ | HDThoreaun 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You should find an employer that caters to your idiosyncrasy instead of your coworkers |
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| ▲ | lucketone 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is a third group: I work better from office when all the noisy coworkers are at home. |
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| ▲ | steveBK123 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > - Some people work better in the office, with their co-workers around them it shouldn't be my problem if a coworker lacks internal locus of control |
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| ▲ | tucnak 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The downvotes are all from guys remote-moonlighting three separate FAANG jobs, each paying out hundred grand a year. They can afford it! |
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| ▲ | RHSeeger 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Regardless of someone's stand on the topic of remote vs in-office, I find it staggering that _anyone_ could believe that either one of them is the one-true-way. There's downsides to both and either decision is likely to make at least some of the participants unhappy. I'm firmly on the WFH end of things; I much less productive in an office. But I know other people that are better in the office with the ability to talk things over with co-workers in person. And the fact that I'm not there makes it harder for them (and easier for me; tradeoffs) | | |
| ▲ | tucnak 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The productivity is tangential at best to this matter; the discourse around WFH has long devolved into primitive drivel for/against freedom precisely because abstract "freedom" is all that Americans care about. (I don't think WFH is as big in Europe, at least based on my experience—everywhere I worked in Europe has overwhelmingly been in-office.) I get the argument that American cities are really sparse, and sometimes people have to commute a long while, etc etc. but I don't believe that it's the deciding factor. I think it's FAR simpler than that; in view of covid, all companies subscribed to WFH policy, and workers (quite naively) interpreted it as +freedom. The companies are now subscribing to RTO policies, and it's simply read as -freedom. That's it. People find it offensive whenever they're deprived of some extra options, choices, etc. It's nice not having to go to office all the time, but it's in of itself much nicer if you CAN choose not to, isn't it? In my view, that's what it boils down to. |
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