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Nition 6 days ago

It's more the other two dimensions that I want shrunk. Did anyone think their phone was too thick to fit in their pocket?

dan353hehe 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

No kidding. I just want one that I can use one handed again. I’m on the IPhone SE, have hands that can play an octave + 2 additional keys on a piano, and I can’t reach the whole screen with a single hand.

I’m probably just holding it wrong.

Yxven 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

The trick to this is to attach a handle to the back of it. I'm using one that telescopes from the "popsockets" brand (I'm unaffiliated and have no idea how it compares with other brands). It makes it possible for me to access all parts of my screen holding it one handed. It should be a standard feature.

jghn 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

I want a handle on the back of my phone even less than I want a larger phone. I also refuse to use cases and any other contraption that adds further bulk.

stagalooo 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I have had an excellent experience with the OhSnap grip. https://ohsnap.com/products/snap-grip It is significantly smaller than the popsocket and adds a strong magnet which can attach your phone to magnetic surfaces. It looks flimsy, but I've had it two years and even moved phones and it shows no signs of breaking.

causasui 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Totally agree. Apply can pry my iPhone SE 3 from my cold dead hands.

The perfect form factor. Touch ID instead of Face ID. It's the absolute pinnacle of the iPhone models, based on the iPhone 6.

I don't understand why I can't just have this same phone with a slightly better camera. That's all I want.

djtango 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Occasionally I reach around the other side to press buttons as if I am using a guitar/violin grip but I don't do this enough to not be awkward

tines 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can actually swipe down starting at the bottom third of the screen, and the top of the screen will move down so you can reach it with one hand.

fujigawa 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Or they can make the phone human-sized and not resort to software hacks to resolve poor ergonomics.

philsnow 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That helps with reaching up, but my thumb also doesn't reach the far bottom corner either. I don't have a super-octave handspan but I don't have small hands either.

xp84 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks to their incredibly poor demos I believed until THIS MORNING that to do that maneuver, you had to start your downward swipe ON the little bar that's about 2px from the bottom of the screen (which works, but is nearly impossible with a case).

djtango 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm glad other people have chimed in. It drives me insane that no one thought to make one-hand mode not change the width as well or be a total aspect change.

Just make it configurable yknow

krater23 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I have a Unihertz Jelly Star, it fits in my hand and it works great.

margalabargala 6 days ago | parent [-]

Unihertz would be an amzing phone company if they updated their software literally ever.

Instead you are stuck with the OS, and security updates, that were out a year before you bought it. And you can't install LineageOS either.

chongli 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We're in the minority. The iPhone Minis did not sell well. I think women especially do not want a small phone because they carry it in a purse anyway (and slap a case on it with an extra handle to make it easier to hold).

cassianoleal 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> The iPhone Minis did not sell well.

I’ve said this many times when this came up.

The Mini didn’t fail because it was too small. It failed because it wasn’t small enough.

I want a small phone that I can use single-handedly. A smaller screen is a tradeoff. The Mini had the disadvantage of a smaller screen plus the disadvantage of not being usable with a single hand. Because of that, I never bought one - if I’m going to be handicapped anyway, I’d rather have a larger screen.

nomel 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> It failed because it wasn’t small enough.

I've never seen a preference like this, in real life. Usually the thing closest to what you want is the preferred option. You're suggesting there's a hump in the preference curve, pushing people away from their preference, buying a larger phone than the smallest, when they "want" a smaller one.

I have trouble believing this is true. Do you have any other example of this type of preference curve? I suppose the "uncanny valley" may be one, but that seems more understandable.

cassianoleal 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure I'd call it a curve.

Small phone vs. larger phone is a very simple tradeoffs calculation.

Large phone: good screen, bad ergonomics Small phone: small (thus worse) screen, best ergonomics

I'm willing to pick the second option above.

Unfortunately the Mini is somewhere in the middle: smaller screen than the larger phone - thus worse in that aspect -, combined with worse ergonomics than an actually small phone. It's the worst of both worlds.

I don't know about other things, but ever since the iPhone 5 I've been wanting another model that I could use with a single hand. The Mini was never that, so why would I sacrifice a good feature (larger screen) for... nothing in return?

hombre_fatal 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Also, increasingly shrinking the screen places increasing demands on apps and app developers to support those dimensions.

It's not like enlarging the screen where you can at least generalize it by scaling everything up and it's still useable.

With shrinking screens, you have to decide on tap target and content size minimums. It's quite an undertaking that needs to pay in the market.

Nition 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The iPhone Mini size isn't to bad, but I agree to some extent - I think perfect size phone for me would be about original iPhone SE size. It could have a 5" screen if you made it edge-to-edge (for ref the iPhone Mini has a 5.4" screen).

creer 6 days ago | parent [-]

Original SE was fantastic. Still is.

Swizec 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The Mini didn’t fail because it was too small. It failed because it wasn’t small enough.

The size is fine. But why they gotta handicap cameras?

All I want is a mini-sized phone with max's camera. Is that so much to ask for?

At this point I'm strongly considering ditching the iPhone and going Watch + Fujifilm Camera. Maybe keep an old phone at home to manage the watch.

mrheosuper 6 days ago | parent [-]

> Is that so much to ask for?

Actually, yes. The mini already has limited space to work with, they had already to shrink the MB, the battery. It would take much more effort to put a pro camera into it. Also those camera do heat up.

Personally, i think the camera setup on ip13mini is fine.

vbezhenar 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep! iPhone 13 Mini: 5.4". iPhone 4S: 3'5". More than 1.5x as large. It's HUGE. It's not really mini.

Give me 3" iPhone. That would be mini.

kelnos 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> iPhone 4S: 3'5"

This is a very funny typo, considering the topic at hand.

But yeah, I think I stopped being happy with phone sizes when they started going beyond 4" or so. It's hilarious to me that they can make a phone that's ~5.5" and call it "mini".

I'm an Android guy, and had high hopes for https://smallandroidphone.com/, but the guy who was originally driving it is running his resurrected Pebble company now, and there's been basically no useful activity in the Discord for at least a couple years now, so I assume it's dead.

mrheosuper 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the mini refer to physical dimension.

jajuuka 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You can take calls on an Apple Watch. Is that more the size you're looking for?

cassianoleal 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have an Apple Watch, and I have no interest in getting one.

In any case, the Apple Watch has a much smaller screen and absolutely horrendous ergonomics for everything but the simplest use cases.

So, to answer your question: no.

mtalantikite 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm just waiting for Apple Watch to not require an iPhone at all. I'd actually love to just ditch the phone altogether.

jghn 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> think women especially do not want a small phone because they carry it in a purse anyway

The correlation I saw a while back during one of the debates about the trend towards phablets was it depended a lot on your usage patterns.

Are you someone who tends to use your phone while sitting down? Larger form factor

Are you someone who tends to use your phone standing up, especially while walking? Smaller form factor.

jbverschoor 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They didn’t sell well because it was COVID.

You have absolutely no idea how many people are curious which iPhone I have

xp84 6 days ago | parent [-]

Insightful! That's a great point: A period where a lot of people (especially the average-higher-income Apple demographic) were more likely to be sitting at home all day. Having a phone that is heavy and barely pocketable is nbd if you just have it sit on the coffee table or desk all day.

kelnos 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think women especially do not want a small phone because they carry it in a purse anyway

Yeah, I've noticed this. Many women also wear clothing where they either have no pockets at all, or the pockets are more decorative than functional, small enough that a truly small phone would have trouble fitting (certainly not the 5.5" iPhone "mini", which is hardly mini at all).

mistercheph 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because phones are status symbols for most people, what better way to show youve made it then pulling a giant shiny rock out of your pocket.

djtango 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hilariously phones are so big they don't fit in some women's bags - clutches or multi compartment bags for example

asimpletune 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I honestly think they didn't sell well because they were called 'mini'. They should have just marketed them as the base level iPhone and it might have had a chance.

criddell 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Apple sold more than 5 million iPhones 13 Mini in 2022. If the phone had come from any other manufacturer it would be considered a hit.

nutjob2 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

They should have called it the maxi, for 'maximum smallness'.

syncsynchalt 6 days ago | parent [-]

Not to be crude but I suspect the company that makes the "ipad" is very careful with "max" and "maxi" branding.

mike-cardwell 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I recently doubled the thickness of my iPhone SE by adding an external battery. Fits in my jeans pocket fine along with several other things in the same pocket. If they can get it that thin, why don't they just add more battery and take us back to the time when we could run phones for weeks between charges.

[edit] I'll answer my own question. Nobody is going to replace an iPhone because it drops from 21 days battery to 14 days battery, but they probably will replace an iPhone that drops from 21 hours battery to 14 hours.

creer 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

There is an accessory outboard battery for this new iphone.

DecentShoes 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You know, that's a good point. At least the air will have amazing battery life once it's in a purpose built battery case

jghn 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep. I keep holding out for a new Mini. They keep making phones wider and taller. Thanks Apple!

nathanscully 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m still holding onto my 12 mini wishing they would update it. Perfect size imo.

carom 6 days ago | parent [-]

My battery was going out on my 12 and I got an SE. It's a good experience. If you can get a thumb print one, I personally like it a lot more than face ID.

coaksford 6 days ago | parent [-]

I wasn't sold on face ID until winter, and then the appeal become viscerally obvious.

thisgoodlife 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I like the size of a regular iPhone. What I really want is a lighter phone. Unfortunately, compared to the iPhone 17, the Air is about 30% thinner, with worse battery life, camera, etc, but only around 7% lighter. I was expecting at least 20% lighter if it's called "Air".

jbverschoor 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly.. and it’s not even the height. It’s mainly the width + placements of UI elements at the top.

Air could’ve been the perfect mini replacement. Same width, but higher.

But no.. why get the air when the pro has so much more of everything, and is only 100 more

cortesoft 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You have to sacrifice screen size to shrink the other dimensions, and they already have smaller screen iPhones. It seems most people care more about big screens than size in that dimension

amilios 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

They don't have smaller screen iPhones anymore lol what? the iPhone 13 Mini is the last phone that can be in that category. Does anyone really think that 6.1 inches is a "small" device?

Nition 6 days ago | parent [-]

The 17 does technically have a smaller screen than the Air, but only by 0.2". Not exactly a small phone. They don't even have a 6.1" phone anymore - smallest now is going to be 6.3".

Rebelgecko 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The smallest iPhone would've been classified as a "phablet" a decade ago

Nition 6 days ago | parent [-]

I remember a coworker getting a Dell Streak Android phone in 2010 and it was enormous. Definitely felt more like a small tablet.

The GSM Arena review is mostly about the confusion of whether it should still be considered a phone at this size. Ultimately they decide it's just too damn big for a phone.[1].

It had a 5" screen.

[1] https://www.gsmarena.com/dell_streak-review-531.php

eMSF 6 days ago | parent [-]

Even with a 5" screen, it was bigger than for example iPhone 17 in every single dimension due to its hefty bezels (and not insignificantly so; iPhone 17 is closer in width to iPhone 13 Mini than a Dell Streak).

Screen diameter is in general a bit misleading figure for phones from different generations as "full screen" phones tend to have a taller aspect ratio and hence larger diameter even with same body dimensions.

Nition 6 days ago | parent [-]

Only a little bigger but you're right, I didn't think the bezels on the Streak looked that big but I see they're really pretty substantial. It's the dimensions of a modern 6.5" phone, basically.

Nition 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just give me one good phone with a small screen please, and everyone else can buy one of the other 10,000 options with huge screens.

krater23 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Take the Unihertz Jelly Star. No I get not paid for advertising. I just be happy to have it found.

xp84 6 days ago | parent [-]

Does it have all the normal US bands? their site doesn't give much assurance, and they have a graphic with every non-US carrier's logo and no US carrier logos.

cortesoft 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Apparently there is not enough of a market of people like you to make it worth manufacturing, sadly.

cassianoleal 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> they already have smaller screen iPhones.

Not small enough to be worth the tradeoffs though.

singleshot_ 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been a little concerned that the (non-transparent) back is “protected” by glass. I understand that Marketing has to work with what they’re given, but that’s a bit much.

xp84 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

You need it to be glass and not plastic because otherwise it would cut in half the number of expensive repairs, which would likely tempt people to risk not having AppleCare, a very profitable business.

antonkochubey 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

iPhones had glass backs for the better part of last decade

singleshot_ 4 days ago | parent [-]

Why?

antonkochubey 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Wireless charging at the very least

poniko 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got the Samsung 25 Edge and did move from a the regular sized phone to "plus" without the constraints and weight that usually follows. I can reach the screen edges that I can't on the same size plus version. Added bonus that i don't get a strain in my pinky from the weight and its still very pocketable. So I'm sold on thinner phones except the wobble from hell when its laying on the table.

Ericson2314 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, the fact that there is no American small phone with an e-ink screen is IMO proof that they basically want us to suffer.

matt-attack 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s because they’re working on a foldable phone. And to make that work you need to phone half as thin first. This is not because they think people want thinner phones. It’s because they think people will want bigger screens and this will get them there.

CGMthrowaway 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. In the era of slim pants.

geoffeg 6 days ago | parent [-]

Funny, most of the people presenting on the event stream, especially women, were wearing very loose pants.

refulgentis 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

OP is indicating that they felt the phone was too thick in a previous fashion era, that of tight pants. Loose is very very in

jbverschoor 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

5 years too late

badc0ffee 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Tim had some slim pants.

clickety_clack 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly my thought when I saw it. When I said smaller this isn’t what I meant!

amai 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reason why we have such big smartphones is that the ratio of screensize (2d area) to battery size (3d volume) is better for smart phones with a bigger screen.

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dontlaugh 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. I'm still using my iPhone 13 mini and won't change it for something bigger. I wouldn't mind something a little smaller.

torginus 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Back when I got my iPhone XR I immediately thought it was too thin, and got a case for it which added a non insignificant amount of thickness.

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barnabee 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve found the Pixel 8 and 9 Pro to be quite a reasonable size and they run GrapheneOS pretty nicely.

epolanski 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, but if I recall correctly the mini didn't sell as well as they wanted.

metasaval 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every time a new iPhone comes up people on hacker news pine for a new mini, which I understand. But everytime someone has to bring back up that the 12 and 13 minis were the worst selling sku two gens in a row, with at one point the 13 mini only attributing to 3% of 13 sales [1].

I'm sorry, but the market has spoken. And there's Android phones in that form factor if you really want it.

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

icar 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> there's Android phones in that form factor if you really want it.

I'm genuinely interested. Which ones?

alternatetwo 6 days ago | parent [-]

When I looked for a new phone on gsmarena with a similar form factor as my old one, there were pretty much no options. So few even, my old phone appeared in the results. I too would be interested.

cesnja 6 days ago | parent [-]

There's this 6.1 inch phone, now stop complaining.

DecentShoes 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There are not Android phones in that form factor

moralestapia 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>Hahahaha LMAO. Here's your upvote my friend.

Back to reality, Apple sells close to 200 billion worth of iPhones per year, so yeah, maybe they know what they're doing?

Nition 6 days ago | parent [-]

We'll see. I wonder how well the Air will sell. I do understand the Mini didn't sell well, so I'm obviously not the average consumer.

moralestapia 6 days ago | parent [-]

People underestimate what you can do with trillions of dollars at your disposal.

They could build a small town with all things you can imagine, cars, cinemas, hospitals, schools, whatever then get people to live there for months and use whatever new device prototypes they plan to launch a year later, and have an army of analysts even looking at their damn micro-expressions each time they pick up their phones in different ways and all of that might come down to like 50 million a year, which is like 0.05% of their revenue.

Apple is not anymore a startup where two/three guys make major decisions out of intuition (they ousted Ive because of that), again, this is a 2 trillion dollar company, they're not just vibing, lmao.